this is how I baffled my ITR pan.



with the doors closed it acts as a standard baffled pan , but unlike the fixed setups it allows much faster drainback and is designed to help oil get back to the pickup as quickly as possible.

if you look at the OEM pan design it only has one drainback hole , so all the oil could potentially be stuck away from the pickup for quite some time , under cornering and acceleration its going to stay on top of the baffles until the load direction changes , with my pan the trap door will open and allow instant drainback.


you can see the notches that direct oilflow back to the pickup , where it belongs.





both doors operate seperately and live in a well lubricated environment so wear is not a concern in the least.

operation is simple , under hard accel/decel the oil is forced against the door which closes to keep the oil near the pickup acting as a fixed baffle , as soon as the load changes the door closes and keeps the oil at the pickup preventing starvation.

I charge 125.00 if you send me your pan , turn around time is 1-2 work days.

fixed baffles are also available for 75.00 if you send me your pan.

D series / H series , alum and steel pans are also no problem.

 

that looks pretty good compared to Mugen and Spoon pans witch just have baffles welded in

 

i just did mine like the spoon


Modified by hybridvteceg at 6:07 PM 3/16/2004

 

How 'bout a parts kit for the DIYer? The must be standard dimensions on the trap doors?

Looks good BTW...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hybridvteceg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> PLUS i simply bend my baffles to allow gravity to drain the oil better
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that doesnt allow faster drainback at all.

think about it.

 

well that half of the pan thats slightly angled downwards. that does something...

 

awesome stuff Doc,
if I get the $$ together I'll send you my pan soon.

 

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that doesnt allow faster drainback at all.

think about it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

to me it looks like oil will be directed right at the pickup when it drains back, which is what you want. seems to be good to me.

s

 

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if I get the $$ together I'll send you my pan soon.</TD></TR></TABLE>

cool mang.

 

i don't see how those baffles would help during cornering. I can understand how it would help during accel/decel since the baffles are front and back. But how does it help when the oil is pushed against the left or right?

Not hating on your work, it's very nice. But just wondering.

s


Modified by stevel at 10:56 AM 3/16/2004

 

lateral baffles are already in place from the factory.

the doors close when fluid pushes back , keeping the oil in the sump and close to the pickup.

most of the oil starvation is going to occur when forces combine , IE : accel AND cornering...

 

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to me it looks like oil will be directed right at the pickup when it drains back, which is what you want. seems to be good to me.

s</TD></TR></TABLE>
yeah it will why do you think spoon and mugen put it this way.

 

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yeah it will why do you think spoon and mugen put it this way.</TD></TR></TABLE>

well, the fact that spoon and mugen do it isn't what I'm looking for. It's knowing why they do it.

s

 

didnt say "hey mugen and spoon do it", was saying theres a reason to their madness, and thats it" sorry for confusion

 

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yeah it will why do you think spoon and mugen put it this way.</TD></TR></TABLE>

because it was easy to produce with minimal effort.

I'd rather spend a little more time and effort to have a superior product...

 

ok i still think thatthe physics behind the reg baffles is just fine.

 

your doors swing to the outside how does that stop the oil from going to the outside too?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hybridvteceg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">your doors swing to the outside how does that stop the oil from going to the outside too?</TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Doctor CorteZ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">lateral baffles are already in place from the factory.

most of the oil starvation is going to occur when forces combine , IE : accel AND cornering...</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

ok say you put a marble in the pan, when you tilt it back wards(as it sits on the car) the marble will hit the door and the door will allow the marble to move beyond the door(to the very back of the pan). whats that do?

 

Are you lubricating your bearings with marbles?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .RJ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Are you lubricating your bearings with marbles?</TD></TR></TABLE>

:confuzed: it was to show that they open when something presses against them.
now can the thread maker shed some light on my ideA?

 

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:confuzed: it was to show that they open when something presses against them.
now can the thread maker shed some light on my ideA?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think you need more than light.

how can you not get how this works ?

 

its supposed to keep oil near the pickup right&gt;? well if the doors move out wards then it lets oil get away from it.

 

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the doors move into the position of your standard fixed baffles , the advantage is better/quicker drainback.

get it yet ?

 

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the doors move into the position of your standard fixed baffles , the advantage is better/quicker drainback.

get it yet ?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I was confused at first as well. I think it's easier to understand when you have it sitting in front of you and you can play with the doors. Let me see if I have this straight...

Under hard acceleration, the oil is forced to the back of the pan away from the pickup. On Doctor CorteZ's pan, the oil forces the door into a horizontal position. At this point, this:



equals this:



They are doing the exact same thing...keeping the oil at the back of the pan from sloshing any higher than the baffle and thereby keeping a certain oil level at the pickup. However, some oil will still get above that baffle since it can't all fit underneath, and this oil has to drain back down to the pickup when the force is gone.

So when the force toward the rear of the car is gone or perhaps shifted to the front of the car under braking, the door "relaxes" or is pushed down by the weight of the oil sitting on it, and it looks like this:



allowing oil rapid access to the bottom of the pan from above the baffle. Meanwhile, the other still looks like this:



And the oil that has accumulated on top of the baffle can only drain down to the pickup in the middle, which, according to Doctor CorteZ, is slow enough to benefit from some improvement.

Is this basically correct?