Please don't just dismiss this post... I have tried pretty damn hard to get this info so far, now I just need a little more advice!

<U>I have:</U>
92 H23a
-2.5" system, 3"muffler (might uprgade to a 3" all the way through, in 6 months or so)
-Darton MID sleeve kit
-JE 9:1 89mm forged pistons
-Crower billet rods
-Custom rebuilt clutch (supposedly able to take 650hp)
-Lightened and balanced flywheel
-Koni Adjustable suspension

<U>I am planning on getting:</U>
-Lovefab SST manifold (will I need the t3/4 adapter?!?)
-Garrett T3/4 Ball bearing turbo, 57ar. Polished housing (Can anyone tell me the model number for this, so I can get a price!)
-intercooler (can someone recommend a size, and brand?)
-warlbro 255lph fuel pump
-rc engineering 420 injectors
-Hondata 4b
-Brembo or DBA brake set
-msd digital 6
-hvc coil

I am hoping to run a dual boost setup using a turbosmart boost controller... 6-8psi daily, and 15-20psi on the track.
Is that likely to offer me about 300whp/450whp? or am I dreaming?

<U>Should I also invest in:</U>
-an MSD ignition kit?
-Crower titanium valvesprings and retainers?
-JG cam gears?
-Camshaft regrind? (if I do it will come later)
-port and polish? (is it worth the money... really?)

well there it is... have I missed anything important? I would really appreciate it if people could recommend some brands and model numbers of parts that I am unsure about. Since I live overseas from most of you guys it much easier to search for parts if I have model numbers and brand names!!

Thanks in advance!!!


Modified by Arch-Angel at 11:29 PM 2/9/2004

 

fuel pump-warlbro 255lph
injectors-rc engineering for your setup or maybe dsm 450's
i would get a msd digital 6 and a hvc coil

 

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MMMMMMM Draft....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Arch-Angel &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">-Lovefab SST manifold (will I need the t3/4 adapter?!?)
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apparently you havent looked into the Lovefab manifolds that much, they come with a plate that accomidates both T3 and T4 flanged turbines
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I am hoping to run a dual boost setup using a turbosmart boost controller... 6-8psi daily, and 15-20psi on the track.
Is that likely to offer me about 300whp/450whp? or am I dreaming?
</TD></TR></TABLE>daily driver???? your ARE dreaming

 

why exactly is he "dreaming" about running 8 psi of boost daily?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TypeRKoncepts &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why exactly is he "dreaming" about running 8 psi of boost daily?</TD></TR></TABLE>
the fact that he is planning to drive a car with a built engine on a day to day basis

 

Don't listen to sam... he is just pissed because his motors only last him 2 weeks

Honestly with 8psi you can drive it daily... but it depends on what type of driving you will be doing. If it means putting 150miles on it daily, then that's not in the motors best interest. You will need to check the motor daily for regular things to make sure everything is running right. With a built motor you want to find problems right when they start and not a month later. Just keep the oil changed around every 2000 miles, check your plugs once a week, inspect the oil/coolant daily, and look under neath the car ever few weeks or so for oil leaks and other things that are not normal.

Always expect the unexpected. If this is the ONLY car you have then I would start looking into having another car to drive JUST IN CASE.

 

Most built engines should have no problem being daily drivers, its all about the quality you build them with and the quality of the parts you use and workmanship behind it. Oh yea, and dont worry about the headwork right now, just pull the head yourself and clean it up real nice and get rid of all the sharp edges, just save the money on the headwork until you can do the TB, intake manifold, and p&p, and oversized valves all together, you might want to try out some cam gears with your stock cams, I dont know how much overlap you have on there but if its alot you might be loosing some cylinder pressure there


Modified by Speedra500 at 4:24 PM 2/6/2004

 

By the way... without Head/Intake manifold work I wouldn't count on your motor making anymore then 350-400whp peak.

If your head cannot breathe then boosting 20psi is not going to do anything. Do it all right the first time, it will save you money on the dyno in the end.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PrecisionH23a &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">By the way... without Head/Intake manifold work I wouldn't count on your motor making anymore then 350-400whp peak.

If your head cannot breathe then boosting 20psi is not going to do anything. Do it all right the first time, it will save you money on the dyno in the end.</TD></TR></TABLE>


not entirely true. you only need a large turbo and good tuning... i.e: https://honda-tech.com/zero...age=1

 

one quick question... how many of you giving advice and arguing actually have a built H-series motor, or at least have had FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE, not some "i read so and so's cousin did this"??? please raise your hand
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:raises hand:

 

edit: no comment.

 

So you are telling me that if i build up my block w/forged pistons and rods,
it won't last as a daily driver even with good tuning

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SKDRCR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So you are telling me that if i build up my block w/forged pistons and rods,
it won't last as a daily driver even with good tuning </TD></TR></TABLE>
it could still be a saily driver, but you will have to baby it all the time, you wont be able to enjoy the true power that your car will now have. but honestly, its not gonna be dependable by any typical means. gaskets or seals, or oil lines, or hoses or something will always be coming apart. the only way to TRUELY be reliable.... leave it the **** alone

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Turbo Sam &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
it could still be a saily driver, but you will have to baby it all the time, you wont be able to enjoy the true power that your car will now have. but honestly, its not gonna be dependable by any typical means. gaskets or seals, or oil lines, or hoses or something will always be coming apart. the only way to TRUELY be reliable.... leave it the **** alone</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well i'm referring to just building up the block
and spraying every now and then a 75 shot or so,
not necessarily turboing it. I realize when i turbo, reliability
pretty much goes goes out the window

 

ummm....:raises hand:

Mines runs 13psi daily...and I do mean DAILY. The only time mine stays in the garage is foul weather (snow, ice, etc) and when I'm going to a client site in an area that I don't feel safe parking it. In the last 6 mos it's seen many trips from my house in DE to client sites in N Jersey, Boston, Va Beach, Baltimore, etc...

If the car's built correctly and properly tuned there's absolutely no reason why it can't be a relatively reliable driver. Now don't mistake this for me saying that it should be your _only_ vehicle...if the weather's bad I've got my truck to fall back on as a high-hp fwd w/ summer tires isn't fun when the road surface is slick. The fact that I drive mine and _enjoy_ driving it is the reason that it still has all the creature comforts. Unlike a large number of f/i enthusiasts mine still has a/c, p/s, cruise, sound deadening, a full interior, and a nice stereo....not that I don't enjoy beating on a friend's gutted hatch now and again but I definitely wouldn't want to drive it daily!

--Ian

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by clendaniel &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ummm....:raises hand:

Mines runs 13psi daily...and I do mean DAILY. The only time mine stays in the garage is foul weather (snow, ice, etc) and when I'm going to a client site in an area that I don't feel safe parking it. In the last 6 mos it's seen many trips from my house in DE to client sites in N Jersey, Boston, Va Beach, Baltimore, etc...

If the car's built correctly and properly tuned there's absolutely no reason why it can't be a relatively reliable driver. Now don't mistake this for me saying that it should be your _only_ vehicle...if the weather's bad I've got my truck to fall back on as a high-hp fwd w/ summer tires isn't fun when the road surface is slick. The fact that I drive mine and _enjoy_ driving it is the reason that it still has all the creature comforts. Unlike a large number of f/i enthusiasts mine still has a/c, p/s, cruise, sound deadening, a full interior, and a nice stereo....not that I don't enjoy beating on a friend's gutted hatch now and again but I definitely wouldn't want to drive it daily!

--Ian
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i hate you

 

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i hate you</TD></TR></TABLE>

...just remember that this isn't the _first_ built motor that's been in the car, I've had my share of issues.

--Ian

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by clendaniel &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

...just remember that this isn't the _first_ built motor that's been in the car, I've had my share of issues.

--Ian
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lol.... i gave up at 2..... well, not exactly, but i gave up at 2 on my 97 Lude

 

To be honest, I can't see why a built engine can't be a daily driver...
The way I see it, you are taking a reliable engine and just reinforcing certain areas that have been proven weakspots. In my case, I felt it was a good idea to lower compression in order to run 6-8 psi daily.
I never plan to 'baby' my car, but as far as I am concerned when it's on the road, then I obey all the traffic laws and try not to drive like an idiot- regardless of how much power is there.

The reason I asked the questions in my original post weren't only to see if I am going to reach my power goals, but also to check with you guys if you think I AM doing it 'right'.

With the sort of reinforcing that I have started (pistons, rods, sleeves etc.), on fully reconditioned engine, am I really going to have serious reliability issues? -once again I am talking about between 6-8psi (I am happy to go as low as possible, if it means getting extra life out of the engine...), doing about 30 miles a day.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PrecisionH23a &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">By the way... without Head/Intake manifold work I wouldn't count on your motor making anymore then 350-400whp peak.

If your head cannot breathe then boosting 20psi is not going to do anything. Do it all right the first time, it will save you money on the dyno in the end.</TD></TR></TABLE>

are you saying valvetrain as well as p&p?

what hp do you think I can get with 8psi, on the setup i mentioned?

 

ok then, you ask for advice and opinions, then argue with them.... why even ask at all if you already have the idea stuck in your head?

 

my truck has a built motor in it... i could daily drive it, but 8mpg gets kind of expensive over the course of a month.

of course i'm only making 1.125 hp/inch^3. anyone wanna help me blow my truck with a 8-71?

 

is it me or did he ask for advice on turbo parts and not reliability?

yeah i know that some people are giving advise on what ACTUALLY happened to them. and trying to steer him in a safer direction, but that should be a different thread, this turned into a built engine reliabilty thread.

but the advice is good though

 

thats b/c he said he wanted a daily driver with a built turbo motor