The car: '93 hatch B18c1 w/
- AEM cold air
- JDM DC 4-1
- 2.5" testpipe
- World Sport exhaust
- Skunk2 Intake manifold
- Mugen headgasket
- chipped p28 ecu

How much of a difference would the Skunk2 stage 1's make over the CTR's for me? $700 vs. ~$350 Any personnal experience with either cams would be helpful.

Mike

 

my friend dumped a set of skunk 2's into his gsr and saw a nice difference i dont have any numbers for you..and i dont know the comparison between cams but i just want to vouch for the skunk 2 cams .. they are excellent

 

Well I've only had experience with the S2S1's and they are really really good cams. They don't die off at all on the top end, and I've seen them reved to around 9K. But many people also rock the CTR's which are also kick *** cams. I don't know the exact specs on the Skunks or the CTR's, if someone could post those up that would be cool for a little comparison. It's a win win situation over the stock GSR's.

 

If you want to get better responses to these questions, try searching some old posts in the All Motor forum. They are both good options for cams, but if I had the money I would personally buy the Skunk2 Stage 1s over CTRs. JDMHondaparts is running a special on Skunk2 cams right now.

 

yeah my friends got the skunk 2 ecu also with the adjustable redlines and he had his set at 8800 for a while and he had no die off top end at all...

 

i remember seeing somebody post a comparison of these two cams, and they were pretty much the same. dont know where that post is, but maybe somebody will post it.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b16a ferio &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you want to get better responses to these questions, try searching some old posts in the All Motor forum. They are both good options for cams, but if I had the money I would personally buy the Skunk2 Stage 1s over CTRs. JDMHondaparts is running a special on Skunk2 cams right now.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Oh i've searched before, but you can never find a thread setup to exactly your question, so now there is one! Could you tell me why you would go with the skunk2's?

Mike

 

Save your money and check this link: http://zex.com/Gallery/MMP_4_06_02/

I have seen these cams in a b16a and they were great. The guy that has them loves them. They used to be my cams until I sold them to him. 19whp on a B18C1.
The 57200 cams made that power on a stock(151whp) B18C1. If you want to compare, I can give you the specs on the 57200 cams, the Skunk2 Stage 1-3 cams, and the CTR cams. You will see that the 57200 are the better choice versus the CTRs and the Skunk2 Stage 1 and 2. Just let me know if you want those specs(Lift and Duration).

 

: I'm curious too:

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SILINITY16 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Save your money and check this link: http://zex.com/Gallery/MMP_4_06_02/

I have seen these cams in a b16a and they were great. The guy that has them loves them. They used to be my cams until I sold them to him. 19whp on a B18C1.
The 57200 cams made that power on a stock(151whp) B18C1. If you want to compare, I can give you the specs on the 57200 cams, the Skunk2 Stage 1-3 cams, and the CTR cams. You will see that the 57200 are the better choice versus the CTRs and the Skunk2 Stage 1 and 2. Just let me know if you want those specs(Lift and Duration).</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah I'd like to see the specs on the 57200's, S2S1, and CTR cams. Can the 57200 be used on stock valvetrain?

Mike

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sledgehammer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The car: '93 hatch B18c1 w/
- AEM cold air
- JDM DC 4-1
- 2.5" testpipe
- World Sport exhaust
- Skunk2 Intake manifold
- Mugen headgasket
- chipped p28 ecu

How much of a difference would the Skunk2 stage 1's make over the CTR's for me? $700 vs. ~$350 Any personnal experience with either cams would be helpful.

Mike

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My friend is running an almost exact setup in his B16a2 swapped EK hatch...and the car really halls *** when vtec kicks in with the stage 1's. He ran a 14.5 on street tires at the last CMI...just to give you an idea of how fast the car is.

 

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Yeah I'd like to see the specs on the 57200's, S2S1, and CTR cams. Can the 57200 be used on stock valvetrain?

Mike</TD></TR></TABLE>
Comp Cams #57200 Street/Strip performance cams. Specs sre as follows:

Lift: .490/I .450/E
Duration: 278/I 284/E

These cams made 20whp on a bone stock gsr. If you need that to be verified just call 1-888-817-1008

Compared to the CTR specs:
Lift: .449/I .417/E
Duration: 278/I 280/E

Compared to the Skunk2 Stage 2 Cams:
Lift: .485/I .466/E
Duration: 266/I 262/E

Now if you need verification on those specs on the CTRs and Skunk2 2s http://www.crower.com/cat/impo...shtml
and http://www.skunk2.com

Compared to the famous CTRs and the well-known Skunk2 Stage 2s you see for yourself that the Comp Cams are better and you won't get that much power from a bone stock gsr with those $850+ Skunk2 Stage 2s.

Oh and to answer your question, no they don't require valvetrain if you stick with the stock rev limiter. They make power all the way up to 9k but to go there you need the required valvetrain. The guy that I sold mine to has them on his b16a with stock valvetrain for 3 months with nio valve float.

 

They are movin fast. TTT

 

anyone else have any info? good thread

 

Im also having the same problem deciding, any more info would be great.

 

Personally, I don't pay too much attention to people's dyno number results.

From the graphs I've seen over the years, the CTRs have an excellent 5000-7000 range, the best I've ever seen. The Skunk Stage 2's and Jun 3's dominate above that, but for me and my driving style, I went with the CTRs for pure power where I needed it.

If you want to woo your friends with dyno numbers, then the CTRs or Skunk 1s aren't for you. If you are looking for mid-level power both the 1s and CTRs are an excellent choice, but I've seen better results out of the CTRs over the 1s. Someone has to have saved all those dyno plots.

edit: I remember importbuilders had that cam writeup a while back with the CTRs, Jun 3s and Skunk stage 2s.. check it out

 

I'm pretty sure most cams are going to have a little better gains than CTR but you are also forkin out a lot more cash. Remember that a set of CTR's is still less than $400 and OEM quality.

 

the stage twos are the same price but you have to run after market internals, i saw a set of stage 2's make power in a gsr until the rev limiter kicked in, and it was still climing. my boy used stage one's in his b20/vtec with stock internals and put down 213 hp to the wheels.

 

Most ITR guys notice a mild power gain up top when switching to the stage 1s, but they notice a good bit more in the midrange.

As long as the engine sees plenty of REAL tuning, the stage 1s will make a little bit more power everywhere.