I got these supposedly "brand new sealed from Honda." They did come sealed in Honda boxes, and sealed in the pink bags.

I took them to my local tuner and they agreed that they look kinda fake, then the local Acura parts manager gave me a broken "pre-"00 spec ITR intake cam"(<-- I cannot verify that it really, really is though)...

I took some pictures to show the more noticable differences, do you agree that they are not OEM... or at least not of that quality?

The machinework looks sloppy to me. And although they weigh close to the same, the metal sounds different if i ping them with a coin(other than resonance from the length difference with the broken cam).



The left label is from a ITR intake valvespring....





Probably because of the year difference, but no because that would make the fake supposedly bigger...







The camgear keys would fall out, no?










Modified by 2G0S0R1 at 9:06 AM 1/16/2004

 

where did you get those at?

 

I sniped this one...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...%3AIT

And, I already contacted the seller and will be getting my paypal refunded, no hassel either.

!!!!!!!!!!SAVE PICS IF YOU WANT, My online bandwith is gonna run out for the day.

 

well those might be real cause in his ebay ad it says direct importer from japan. so they might be jdm integra r cams. just my thought

 

So they did end up being bullshit ITR wannabe's? That really sucks...I wonder how many people he tricked into buying his fake ones. This might even be something t report to Honda...not to be a narc or nuttin', but selling fake **** as OEM Honda is gay

 

Im still not sure if they are indeed fake, or just made alot differently or what...

The seller is reputable and says he has no idea but will look into it if I send them back.

I need someone elses EXPERT opinion, PLZ???

 

dude search just for 2 seconds and you will find 2 threads about those itr cams with over 100 responses in each.

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=719686
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=702711

read the last page of the 2nd posted thread especially!

 

Thats in the classifieds, and these are different pics, so chill out.

Ive been reading those for days.

 

okay I was lead to believe that the oem cams from the GB was jdm because of the "M" marking. Someone in that thread pointed that out. It would be devastating to hear a co. is mass producing fake honda parts

Im still uncertain about their authenticity

I also tried calling Dave, he seems to be busy all the time as hes not in the office. Although last time I called I left a call back number with one of the employees but never received a call back.

EDIT: something I noticed on the "fake" box. I see a little slash mark on the Honda sticker itself. I have a slash near the same place as yours.

On the other box the honda sticker has a slash on the bottom right hand corner.


Modified by kendogg at 12:56 AM 1/16/2004

 

Looks non-oem to me.

Great pice to compare!

 

My other box has the slash in the corner too... and my tuner shop said that the plastic was indeed different than the normal, orangeish type.

I NEED SOME REAL ITR/CTRS ASAP!!!!

 

Well as far as the label, you can see that the suspect label uses a standard Times New Roman type font, but the Honda one uses a more specialized font where the Alphas are bigger than the numerics. Plus the letter and numbers use varing thickness where as the other font is the same thickness through out. This is something that Honda would most likely standardize worlwide for cost sake.

 

I replied ot a thread a couple weeks ago about another memeber who had purchased these cams on ebay, When he got them he also though they looked suspicious, but he insalled anyways. After istalled the car ran like ****, they checked everything and the car lost power

I decided to go to ebay, and type in "itr cams" to my suprise it brought up about 12-15 ads for "Buy it Now" $440 ITR/CTR cams, It looked shady as hell. Ebay has some great deals here and there but I try to stay away from buying stuff like this. Products that the Average Joe can''t tell the difference in is a perfect oppurtunity for scammers.

Let me see if I can find the thread

 

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=719686

 

Damn dude you probably did get a fake... I know a kid that I use to call friend, that installed type r cams in his car. He then sold his Gsr cams on ebay posing as type r. Needless to say he got it sold and I hate him now. I mean come on we are all trying to enjoy our hobby with what money we have. We are all connected through this hobby and when u mess with one of us, someone will bound to get u back. When bastards like him mess things up for us it... made me regret to be his friend in the first place. He'll get his one day. I hate scammers, and I hate that damn rice civic of his. Yo beaterman, Im sure u seen his car at school, the damn riced out civic, its red and got buddy club kit.

 

wow...these freekin scammers are getting smart....

 

Read the reply I just put in the FAKE ITR post. I bought cams from the say guy on ebay. Mine did not have any rings at all. I sent mine back and he sent me the cams you have and they are real itr. I was also told they are mass produced

 

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oh really ... well explain why i bought an oil pump straight from the dealer and it had the exact same font as the supposed "fake" sticker ... i think this is getting really ridiculous ...

 

Those camshafts are oem. the primary lobes on itr are smaller than the gsr's. The person that sold you those cams is name David Shih. Have yo ever heard of him? He was the first person to hit ten seconds on the strip in a HONDA!! He is the sole reason people have rethought about front wheel drive cars out on the dragstrip. Basically the guy has a lot of pull in the Honda community in America and I highly doubt that he would jepordize the name he has worked so hard to make for himself by selling bunk cams. How do I know. well i've talked with David about these cams on several occasions. And here is what he had to say to me. Those camshafts are directly from the oem honda factory. The order was placed months in advance on good faith for a cetain customer requesting 400 sets of itr and ctr camshafts. The Camshafts were in route via sea freight from Honda and the person who ordered the camshafts from David, backed out of the deal. Now these were ordered directly from Honda in Japan so they are packed/fabricated/supplied by Honda not an aftermarket company. David is actually there/Honda in japan, this week with a few sets that came on the order to make sure thatHonda addresses the issue if ther is one. He even stated to me that he has called everyone who emailed him or called him with their concerns about the camshafts. He said to me if i wanted i coulD return them without any problems he would reimburse me regardless of wether they had been installed or not. he even stated that if any of us were to go and get A DYNO RUN DONE BOFORE AND AFTER THE INSTALL he would pay for the "DYNO TIME". he's taken a stock civic si out dynoed it and then installed the ctr camshafts and pulled a 9 hp gain, untuned. gsr's will net anywhere from 7-11HP depending on the motor.

I think the sticker comparison is a stupid way to compare oem to fake. Those are boxes. They will be stacked on each other and rubbed on. bags of course will have less weight in them and packed up in bulk in one box. The faded sticker is just from there being weight in the box and it rubbing off. I work at an Acura Dealership and can show you some stickers that look far worse than that. Also the size of the package will determine wether or not they use a big or little sticker. also there are two different color oem tags red/black/white and grey/blue/white/black. and packaging bag color has absolutely no bbearing on wether it is oem either. Most of our parts come in clear, orange, blue toned and pink bags. So pink bags are definitely not a determining factor.

When i read the few posts about the RUMOR of the fake cams i did my research and actual learned how to measure camshaft lift and duration. Unless you have a laith with a pressure gauge to read duration forget about it and take the cams to a machine shop to have them measured for duration. Now Lift, that is a lot easier. Meaure the vtec lobe's circular diameter. then measure the diameter from the bottom of the vtec cam lobe to the top of the lobe. subtract your numbers and get your difference, then multiply the number by 1.55 which is the rocker arm lift ratio. and you get your lift. Mine came out to within.004mm of spec. which are within Honda's factory spec. Duration was dead on when i took them to a machine shop that worked with automobiles and had the tool i did not to measure the duration. it cost me ten bucks but still when i payed 355 shipped and another ten on top of that for piece of mind, i still got a smoking deal. You can not argue that.

Well anyway those are the same camshafts i Have and i have taken mine to a machinist to have them measured. The lift is acurate and the duration is dead on. Argue all you want but the only facts that would make me believe that David is selling bunk cams would be that the laws of measurement are somehow different in the state of colorado from anywhere else in the world.

THOSE CAMSHAFTS ARE NOT FAKE.


Modified by au-gsr at 10:39 AM 1/31/2004