I'm so confused right now i don't know where to start . My next step is my brakes. I have an 88 crx. I've been told to run the stock SIZED brakes w/ the cobalt pads and good rotors and switch to stock SIZED rear disc and run the carbotech pads and good rotors and i'll be fine. Now i don't know if this is right or not but i wouldn't feel to comfortable w/ double or more the stock hp and stock sized brakes. Now, if everybody is running this then kool. I do not want my car to be underbraked for 2 reasons, first is safety, 2nd is i don't want to be using my brakes at 100% and still be outbraked by somebody using 75% of thier brakes

I can def. do the 11" fastbrakes kit w/ the rear disc conversion or the 4 pot caliper kit up front and the 11" rear. Is this the ideal way to go, is it overkill ???

I can also get a some 13.5" rotors w/ 4 pots on the front and the rear disc conversion+ upgrade from one of my sponsors connections. This includes rotors pads and ss lines and all moutning hardware but i don't know how these are in competition and i doubt a 13.5" rotor w/ a 4 pot will fit under a 15" wheel.

Can you guys PLEASE help clear this up . I just need something that is good and is track tested, that's all. Not asking for your guys specs like brake bias or anything like that (I'm new also, so it's not like i'll be running up w/ you guys, unless u lap me ; just some clarification on the best way to do my brakes or atleast an idea on what the general crx h1 brake setup is.

 

I'm not in HC but i'm upgrading from a D16z6 to a B16a on my race car this winter (88 Civic). I was running the stock disc-drum setup which was working fine with Hawk Blue in front. I was told this wouldn't cut it with 160 or more hp (I plan to go more in the next couple of seasons). I decided to go with the stock Integra setup, and I'm quite confident this setup will be up to the task. I'm paying 400$CAD for everything, including the master cylinder and booster, price being a factor for me. Given that my car should still weigh only about 2100 pounds (weighed 2038 with the D16), I think I'll be alright and that this setup will provide enough of a heat sink to prevent fade.

 

i dont understand the relevance of HP in concern to braking.. I personally consider braking to be more of a thermodynamic limit than horsepower force theory.

I would think that a CRX in H1 would be allowed to change the brakes.. And thus you will have many people out there with 12.1" rotors and 6 pot calipers... So I suspect you will be lacking in the brakes dept.. .This is only my thoughts and its subject to being wrong.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Want2race &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i dont understand the relevance of HP in concern to braking.. </TD></TR></TABLE>

k = 1/2mv^2

 

If you get the 4 pot kit, get the bigger one, not the little one from fastbrakes. It's not up to the task.

Or just run ITR or NSX/Legend calipers.

Warren

 

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Those are dual piston though, not four.

I run the AEM Cooltech Big Brake kit on my H1 Civic. 12" two piece rotors with 4 pot Porsche Boxster S Rear Brembos.


Matt

 

Get the latest edition of Grassroots Mag. They have an interesting article on brake upgrades and "tuning your brake system" to operate at its maximum potential.

 

hi.

i run the stock 11" Integra Type R front brakes. stock rear drums.

stops very well.

if you go to a 13.5" rotor (ridiculously big, if you ask me), you will need at least 17" wheels. My 96 Mustang Cobra comes from the factory stock with 13" front rotors and PBR dual piston calipers. 17" wheels just fit; no way a 16" will even come close to fitting. so, if you run the 13.5" rotor, you will need 17" or maybe even 18" wheels.

good luck

 

There such a thing as "too big" for a light H1 car. Philip Ambrose found this out. He spent a long time trying to find a pad that didn't lock up his tires easily.

Currently, at least here on the east coast, it looks like a Type R or Legend calipers with 11" rotors is the way to go. Fairly inexpensive, very effective, and lots of pad choices.

And what RJ said with the equation thingy...

 

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Those are dual piston though, not four.

I run the AEM Cooltech Big Brake kit on my H1 Civic. 12" two piece rotors with 4 pot Porsche Boxster S Rear Brembos.


Matt</TD></TR></TABLE>
My Hype R has single piston front calipers and from what I understand from Andie back when he was at Carbotech, the ITR front calipers are the same as the ones on the NSX, Legend, and Accord Wagon...

I'd be inclined to flollow Warren's advice on brake selection if it were my car...

 

Who makes an adapter to mount the ITR calipers? Or will they bolt straight to the stock caliper bracket?

 

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I run the AEM Cooltech Big Brake kit on my H1 Civic. 12" two piece rotors with 4 pot Porsche Boxster S Rear Brembos.
Matt</TD></TR></TABLE>

Cool, I tought I was the only one using that kit. I got mine before AEM bought out Cooltech. I think mine are regular Boxter rear calipers, at least that's the pads I order for them.

In my opinion this kit may be overkill. But in 5 years of track abuse I've only replaced the rotors once and they've never had any sort of brake fade at all. I only bleed the brakes twice a year because they just don't get that hot. It's nice to have brakes that you don't need to think about.

 

His brakes are NOT too big. They are awesome. Just takes driver training. Not running street pads. He also had them overducted.

I know, I helped troubleshoot. It's a very good setup now.

ITR/Legend/NSX calipers are proven and effective. There are better solutions out there, but they involve far more dollars. This is a good starting point, unless you're pushing major HP.

Warren

 

I talked to the guy at fastbrakes about 2 days ago. He told me that both the type-r and his 11" w/ 4 pot caliper are about the same except for the fact that the 4pot is easier to "feel" and a little easier to manipulate during threshhold (SP?) braking.
He actually gives the honda-challenge a pretty damn good deal. For the 4pot w/ everything for an 90 civic si, it was like 550. The rear drum-disc 11" conversion w/ everything was like 600. So, your looking at around 1100 + shipping for the 4 pot's, drum-disc w/ pads and everything else. These also come w/ race spec pads, if u want them or street,depending on application. (The type-r's come w/cobalt pads, cobalt doesn't make a pad that he can use on the 4 pot so he uses hawk or a couple other companies for race pads.)

opinions? questions? I need input here. i know u guys are saying that the type r is good enough but wouldn't the 4 pot be better for just a little bit more $$$?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AndyHope &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">In my opinion this kit may be overkill. But in 5 years of track abuse I've only replaced the rotors once and they've never had any sort of brake fade at all. I only bleed the brakes twice a year because they just don't get that hot. It's nice to have brakes that you don't need to think about. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Andy, where did you get the replacement rotors from? Mine were on the car when I bought it, and the outer ring is BEAT! Does AEM carry them? Do you have contact info? Thanks!

Matt

 

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If they are single piston, they are NOT the same. I had NSX calipers on my Prelude, they are most definately dual piston.


Matt

 

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opinions? questions? I need input here. i know u guys are saying that the type r is good enough but wouldn't the 4 pot be better for just a little bit more $$$?</TD></TR></TABLE>

It sounds like you've made up your mind and just want someone to agree with you. You're just not going to find a lot of support for a wilwood-based system in this forum.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by emissionsux &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Who makes an adapter to mount the ITR calipers? Or will they bolt straight to the stock caliper bracket? </TD></TR></TABLE>
The ITR/NSX/Accord calipers all will bolt to Teg spindles or 92-00 Civic spindles with ABS. Depending on the caliper and rotor used, the offset may be off and milling of the mounting points needs to be done.
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Search my user name for a brake upgrade I did on my 94 Si hatch using ITR rotors and Prelude calipers.

 

So I can use my existing caliper mounting bracket, just might aneed a little milling in orer to get the offset correct? I was looking at the Fastbrakes kit, but that's pretty expensive. So I guess it'll be cheaper to find the parts at a boneyard......

 

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depends on what car/brake setup you have now

 

Just running stock 92 GSR brakes.

 

to an extent, yes but i really want to know is, y isn't the willwood kit up to the task? Y is the type-r as good or better? Where do i get a full type r setup for cheap, do i run type r up front and crx si discs in the rear? Do i run stock sized rotors w/ type r calipers? Pretend i'm dumb and break it down for me please.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">opinions? questions? I need input here. i know u guys are saying that the type r is good enough but wouldn't the 4 pot be better for just a little bit more $$$?

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IM Chad and ask him why he's selling his Wilwood Dynalites and getting a Legend setup...

 

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Andy, where did you get the replacement rotors from? Mine were on the car when I bought it, and the outer ring is BEAT! Does AEM carry them? Do you have contact info? Thanks!

Matt</TD></TR></TABLE>

I got them from Porterfield. They are based in Costa Mesa CA. I just had to measure all the dimensions on the rotor. Then they took a couple of blanks with the same bolt pattern (for the hats) and cut them down and shipped them out to me.
If you order from them be very careful with your measurements. Take the rotors off the hats and get it right. The first time I gave them ballpark #s thinking it was probably a standard size. But when I gave them the right info they fit perfect.

 

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Bingo.

Jason-
who likes braking more than accelerating, believe it or not