Mugen Active Gate Brake Install
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Mugen Active Gate Brake Install
Well I received my mugen active gate brake kit and some rear brake parts from king motorsports about 2 months ago and a set of 215/45/16 Falken Azenis from discount tire.I also ordered some rims and lugnuts about 2 months ago and they never came in(not gonna mention any names) so that's why it's taken me so long to install the brakes.I finally re-ordered the rims and lugnuts from jaydm.com and they came in on christmas eve.Well here is what I was doing day after christmas,Enjoy!
Here is what I installed:
FRONT,
Mugen Active Gate Brake System
REAR,
Mugen Brake Lines
Mugen Brake pads(black)
Power Slot Rotors
Fluid:
Dot 4 Motul 600 Racing Brake Fluid
Rims and Tires:
16x7 Rota Slipstreams
215/45/16 Falken Azenis
The Goods,
Step 1:Get the car on stands
Right Front Apart
Mugen vs Stock
Right Front Together
Left Front Together
Rear Stock
Rear Apart
Here goes the finished project
I know the pics are kinda dark.Gonna give her a bath this week and clean her up real good and take some daytime pics.
Modified by MAD ITR 55 at 11:12 PM 12/28/2003
Here is what I installed:
FRONT,
Mugen Active Gate Brake System
REAR,
Mugen Brake Lines
Mugen Brake pads(black)
Power Slot Rotors
Fluid:
Dot 4 Motul 600 Racing Brake Fluid
Rims and Tires:
16x7 Rota Slipstreams
215/45/16 Falken Azenis
The Goods,
Step 1:Get the car on stands
Right Front Apart
Mugen vs Stock
Right Front Together
Left Front Together
Rear Stock
Rear Apart
Here goes the finished project
I know the pics are kinda dark.Gonna give her a bath this week and clean her up real good and take some daytime pics.
Modified by MAD ITR 55 at 11:12 PM 12/28/2003
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Re: Mugen Active Gate Brake Install (The Raven)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by The Raven »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">went big on brakes and got cheap wheels. whatever floats your boat.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i guess your sig says it all...
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Re: Mugen Active Gate Brake Install (The Raven)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by The Raven »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">went big on brakes and got cheap wheels. whatever floats your boat.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Why not?
What's wrong with Rotas?
Why not?
What's wrong with Rotas?
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Re: Mugen Active Gate Brake Install (99ITR#3715)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 99ITR#3715 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
What's wrong with Rotas?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Nothing,just some people think if you spend the money on the brakes you are supossed to spend even more money on expensive wheels.
What's wrong with Rotas?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Nothing,just some people think if you spend the money on the brakes you are supossed to spend even more money on expensive wheels.
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Re: Mugen Active Gate Brake Install (The Raven)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by The Raven »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">nothing. but with that kind of cash that he spend on somewhat bling i figured he get nicer wheels.</TD></TR></TABLE>
the wheel in your avatar is bling...
his brake system is not
the wheel in your avatar is bling...
his brake system is not
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Re: Mugen Active Gate Brake Install (MAD ITR 55)
kick *** setup, just one question...
in a sloted rotor setup like the one you installed, isnt the rotor slot supposed to be pitching to the outside on the following edge of the rotor? as the rotor turns it would pull the air and vented brake gasses to the outside of the rotor, it looks to me like the rotors are flip flopped...
in a sloted rotor setup like the one you installed, isnt the rotor slot supposed to be pitching to the outside on the following edge of the rotor? as the rotor turns it would pull the air and vented brake gasses to the outside of the rotor, it looks to me like the rotors are flip flopped...
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Re: Mugen Active Gate Brake Install (MAD ITR 55)
Be sure to update us once you've driven on them a whilw, I'm interested to hear how you like them/how they stack up to stock brakes.
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they LOOK very much like stock. Are they remanufactured stock calipers or something?
As far as comparing to stock, wouldnt the brake lines alone totally change the feel compared to stock?
As far as comparing to stock, wouldnt the brake lines alone totally change the feel compared to stock?
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The Brake kit was $1280 from King.No the rotors are not on the worng side.I thought the same thing,but this is how they are on the directions.According to the website they are made like this for better performance.The calipers are from a S2000.You can tell a difference from stock brakes or sure,but the top part of the pedal feels a little mushy.I bleed the master clylinder 2 times and each wheel about 4 times.There could be a certain bleeding process or break in process that I dont know about but since the brakes came from Japan I can't read the directions.I'm gonna call up King monday and see what the deal is.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RTW DC2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">they LOOK very much like stock. Are they remanufactured stock calipers or something?
As far as comparing to stock, wouldnt the brake lines alone totally change the feel compared to stock? </TD></TR></TABLE>
They do look like Stock Calipers with "MUGEN" Printed on....
And SS brake lines Make little differnce, New rotors and Pads will make the big differnce!
Eric
As far as comparing to stock, wouldnt the brake lines alone totally change the feel compared to stock? </TD></TR></TABLE>
They do look like Stock Calipers with "MUGEN" Printed on....
And SS brake lines Make little differnce, New rotors and Pads will make the big differnce!
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Re: (RTW DC2)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RTW DC2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">they LOOK very much like stock. Are they remanufactured stock calipers or something?
As far as comparing to stock, wouldnt the brake lines alone totally change the feel compared to stock? </TD></TR></TABLE>
the mugen system uses S2K calipers with their own designed LARGER rotors which requires 16in+ wheels...sort of like a fastbrake kit, except done by mugen
As far as comparing to stock, wouldnt the brake lines alone totally change the feel compared to stock? </TD></TR></TABLE>
the mugen system uses S2K calipers with their own designed LARGER rotors which requires 16in+ wheels...sort of like a fastbrake kit, except done by mugen
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the only thing that scares me about this system is when it comes time to replace the rotors...
i started the year with fresh rotors and after 12 track days, they are toast
mad itr 55: have you inquired about price of replacement rotors from king or are you going with stock s2k rotors after this set is done?
i started the year with fresh rotors and after 12 track days, they are toast
mad itr 55: have you inquired about price of replacement rotors from king or are you going with stock s2k rotors after this set is done?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BlueR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the only thing that scares me about this system is when it comes time to replace the rotors...
i started the year with fresh rotors and after 12 track days, they are toast </TD></TR></TABLE>
That and 16" wheel requirement. But it's an upgrade, nonetheless.
i started the year with fresh rotors and after 12 track days, they are toast
</TD></TR></TABLE>That and 16" wheel requirement. But it's an upgrade, nonetheless.
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the mugen system uses S2K calipers with their own designed LARGER rotors which requires 16in+ wheels...sort of like a fastbrake kit, except done by mugen</TD></TR></TABLE>
Wouldn't you be better off going w/the NSX caliper setup?
the mugen system uses S2K calipers with their own designed LARGER rotors which requires 16in+ wheels...sort of like a fastbrake kit, except done by mugen</TD></TR></TABLE>
Wouldn't you be better off going w/the NSX caliper setup?
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Re: Mugen Active Gate Brake Install (MAD ITR 55)
Nice install....
Just a few thoughts for anybody that cares or is thinking about upgrading brakes on the ITR:
The stock system with minor modifications (track compound pads, heat shield removal, ducting and stainless lines) is a tough one to improve upon.
What one tries to gain by going to an aftermarket kit is the increase in brake system stability/consistency after hard use and possibly reduction of weight by lighter weight calipers and maybe a two piece rotor set up. However, I've run down the major options out there before in a previous post ages ago and I think if you really had to mess with the brakes, the Mugen kit is the best "compromise" of all the systems out there.
The problem I have with most aftermarket kits is you either have to run 17" rims (ever try to find and buy at a reasonable price proper sized tires or more importantly R compound tires for that size rim?) or wheel spacers, the lack of availibility of spare parts or cost prohibitive replacement parts. As group of brief examples: has anybody ever found a seal kit to rebuild Spoon calipers? Are there people out there that realistically want to rebuild calipers on an annual basis? Or looked into the cost of replacement pads and rotors for a Brembo (or any other big brake kit)?
The biggest drawback of the Mugen set up is cost (and some may argue the lack of weight savings). Some may gawk at the initial cost, but looking deeper, subtract out the cost of the brake pads, lines and calipers and you'll have the cost of the rotors. Not pretty. However, the most rapidly consumed part (the pad) is readily availible in a pinch and if a rebuild is needed, the parts may be easily purchased at any Honda dealership. Replacement cost of the rotors is the only aspect I do not like about the Mugen system.
This leads me to the topic of OEM upgrades. Lots of people here have experimented in that endeavor with mixed success. The most straightforward upgrade is to swap the rotors out for the heavier and wider Legend ones. From there, it gets more complicated with NSX/Legend caliper and rotor upgrades (that require minor modifications) that have debateable marginal improvements (some argue that the pedal feel is not the same as stock and requires some getting used to).
So in sum, if you have the money to burn, the Active Gate Braking System from Mugen is the only system that I've seen that is an actual upgrade that has a minimal impact on routine brake system maintenence. Otherwise, stick with the smaller incremental OEM improvements to see if they satisfy your needs, and if not, Mugen may be the best solution for you.
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Just a few thoughts for anybody that cares or is thinking about upgrading brakes on the ITR:
The stock system with minor modifications (track compound pads, heat shield removal, ducting and stainless lines) is a tough one to improve upon.
What one tries to gain by going to an aftermarket kit is the increase in brake system stability/consistency after hard use and possibly reduction of weight by lighter weight calipers and maybe a two piece rotor set up. However, I've run down the major options out there before in a previous post ages ago and I think if you really had to mess with the brakes, the Mugen kit is the best "compromise" of all the systems out there.
The problem I have with most aftermarket kits is you either have to run 17" rims (ever try to find and buy at a reasonable price proper sized tires or more importantly R compound tires for that size rim?) or wheel spacers, the lack of availibility of spare parts or cost prohibitive replacement parts. As group of brief examples: has anybody ever found a seal kit to rebuild Spoon calipers? Are there people out there that realistically want to rebuild calipers on an annual basis? Or looked into the cost of replacement pads and rotors for a Brembo (or any other big brake kit)?
The biggest drawback of the Mugen set up is cost (and some may argue the lack of weight savings). Some may gawk at the initial cost, but looking deeper, subtract out the cost of the brake pads, lines and calipers and you'll have the cost of the rotors. Not pretty. However, the most rapidly consumed part (the pad) is readily availible in a pinch and if a rebuild is needed, the parts may be easily purchased at any Honda dealership. Replacement cost of the rotors is the only aspect I do not like about the Mugen system.
This leads me to the topic of OEM upgrades. Lots of people here have experimented in that endeavor with mixed success. The most straightforward upgrade is to swap the rotors out for the heavier and wider Legend ones. From there, it gets more complicated with NSX/Legend caliper and rotor upgrades (that require minor modifications) that have debateable marginal improvements (some argue that the pedal feel is not the same as stock and requires some getting used to).
So in sum, if you have the money to burn, the Active Gate Braking System from Mugen is the only system that I've seen that is an actual upgrade that has a minimal impact on routine brake system maintenence. Otherwise, stick with the smaller incremental OEM improvements to see if they satisfy your needs, and if not, Mugen may be the best solution for you.
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George