Has anyone experimented both of these dampers before? If so, how do you compare the both of them? Spoon is a fixed setting on height and damping where as Mugens are fixed height with damping adjustable. Any comments on what you would choose?

 

I think you might do well to tell us how you're using the car.

The only Spoon/Showa damper combinations I'm aware of are really quite different than the Mugen Lowdowns, and intended for different purposes.

 

George, he is referring to these Spoon dampers:

 

I would be using them for the road coarse and auto cross. I am comparing with the Spoon Yellows with the Lowdowns since they are both intended for street use.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by George Knighton &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> and intended for different purposes.</TD></TR></TABLE>
What purpose is each intended for?

 

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What purpose is each intended for?
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I believe Mr GK doesn't know that Spoon offers two dampers. The "yellow" ones which are non adjustable and meant really for "street/sport" like the Lowdowns. The "black" ones are the "race" dampers.

 

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I have to eat crow now and retire from the conversation.

I have never seen those before!

 

Anyone have more info?

 

Does anyone at least have the damping rates for the Spoon Yellows and the Lowdowns? Spring rates would be nice too if possible...

 

Afraid not.

But I can tell you whom to ask.

https://honda-tech.com/zero...=4754

 

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Anyone? I have yet to recieve any replys from "AJ PwR"....

 

U could try calling - ask for Ben

 

tried it on a ek, and imo its a waste of money, for the price you are better off with tokiko illuminas, with some ground control.
but if your after bling then maybee, but how hard is it to paint stock shocks yellow.

never tried the mugen ones so i have no input on that.

 

Looks like I'll be wasting my money then, according to you....

 

yes... granted most places wants about $800 new for those things, and if you noticed it does not even have hard bushings like the type R's

 

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Just drop by AJR
they're very friendly and infomative.

 

I can't speak for the spoons ones but I have the mugens lowdowns and like them a lot not too hard for the street and more than adequate for the track.

 

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The Mugen lowdowns and Spoon sport suspension are both too soft for track use. They are primarily suited to those who wish to lower their vehicles for aesthetics and want to maintain a decent ride quality.

Both of these suspension kits are not enough of an upgrade from the stock suspension to be worthwhile, IMHO.

 

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Both of these suspension kits are not enough of an upgrade from the stock....</TD></TR></TABLE>

LOL...

Prepare for the bashing, Reid.

 

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Really just depends on your personal comfort level, expectations, and how well you drive/push the car.

 

mugen ones seem to be good
but the height is unadjustable right?
i remember it not being low enough for some, but just right for others

 

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Neither the Spoons above nor the Mugen lowdowns are height adjustable.
The Mugens do have 5 shock/damper settings though.

 

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I always get a kick out of these kind of comments. The Spoon and Mugen are stiffer than the stock suspension, which is very adequate for a beginner track/autocross driver. If he wants something for occasional track use and autocross, along with street driving, these would probably work (they certainly would be stiff enough).I think alot of people on this board are pretty hardcore and tend to think of everyone else as being hardcore as well. If he wants something mostly to be used on the track then, yeah, it would be better to get something more aggressive. I have a couple friends who have/have had the Spoons on their car(a DA Integra had them for a couple auto-x and an EG Civic hatch has had them for 2 auto-x and a HPDE) both were very happy with them, and said they had very aggressive valving. Unfortunately, i never went for a ride with them or drove their cars, so i can't speak from personal experience.

Shane - who is very happy with his Type Flex, despite being told by many that they wouldn't be stiff enough.

 

Finally somebody who understands! Thank you very much Canadian R

 

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The stock ITR suspension is perfectly adept to handling occasional track use and autocross. If you are a beginner track/autocross driver, you should not waste your money on aftermarket suspension. The stock suspension is great and the best compromise between performance and ride quality, IMHO.

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It has nothing to do with being "hardcore".

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Exactly. If you want to lower your car and maintain a decent ride quality, then by all means get a matched spring/shock combo like those offered by Spoon and Mugen. Do not fool yourself into believing these are a huge upgrade over stock, however.

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Apples and oranges. Those cars are not ITRs and therefore the difference in performance between the Spoon suspension and the stock suspension is greater.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CanadianR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Shane - who is very happy with his Type Flex, despite being told by many that they wouldn't be stiff enough.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Tein Type Flex coilovers are not "stiff enough" for track use. If you want to lower your car for aesthetics, ride quality is probably one of your primary concerns. In this case, the Type Flex coilovers suit your needs well.

Please do not get me wrong. There is nothing "wrong" with either the Spoon or Mugen suspension kits. The "problem" lies in the fact that the stock ITR suspension is so good. People are wrong to assume that all stock suspension setups are garbage, this is simply not the case with the ITR.

If I had to choose between the two setups, I would go with the Mugen Lowdowns simply because of their adjustability. The difference between the various shock settings are quite noticeable. This allows one to firm up the suspension on the track and also enjoy near-stock ride quality on the way home.