What year Acura Legend brake calipers would be a direct bolt on affair? I would like to have increased braking power and I already have performance brake pads.... Is there any other alternative besides AEM big rotor or a complete system upgrade, which we all dont have money for.....Thanks for the replies....if any

 

94 GS coupe

 

a better alternative would be stainless steel brake lines.

Ask Honda318dx about his setup... that boy makes his brakes GLOW while he embarrases Type R's on the road course.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Lone Luder &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">a better alternative would be stainless steel brake lines.

Ask Honda318dx about his setup... that boy makes his brakes GLOW while he embarrases Type R's on the road course.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think the first question we should ask this person is...."Why do you think you need to upgrade your brake calipers??

Secondly, Corey doesn't embarass Type R's.....he embarasses Type R OWNERS. Big difference.

 

You end up having to put the brakes on flip flopped side to side so the bleeder valves are upside down. So... basically it's REALLY hard to get all the air out UNLESS you happen to have one of those really cool systems that every mechanic has that just pumps fluid in throught the calipers and sucks the air out of the master cylinder. I'd really like one of those!

 

better pads, rotors and ss lines is a start. then if you need more stopping power go for the legend or 91-96 NSX calipers

http://www.cardomain.com/id/boostlee

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by preluda92 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it's REALLY hard to get all the air out UNLESS you happen to have one of those really cool systems that every mechanic has that just pumps fluid in throught the calipers and sucks the air out of the master cylinder.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Bullshit.

On a lighter note, your cannot really compare a track brake setup to that on the street. The heart of the system (pads and fluid) is totally different.

 

93-95 Legend LS and 94-95 Legend GS .. all have the caliper that will work.
i am looking into the 2003+ MDX's,

its a direct bolt up. do not swap the sides. bleed the brakes withthe calipers off with a peice of wood jammed aginst the pistons. i did this and got all the air out of my system, works great for me


Modified by prelittlelude at 9:35 PM 12/1/2003

 

If i ever get around to doing this swap, i'm going to put them on so it has the bleeder nut on top, like it's supposed to be. I don't think there's gonna be any probs w/ it.

Where can I buy a VTEC bracket, since I'll be starting w/ my Si brakes? Anyone got a pic of this piece?

 

There's no VTEC bracket. The only differences are the Rotors and Calipers. just put those two on and you should be ready to go.

I opted for the NSX calipers. (used my old ones) - Stock VTEC Rotor Mounts right up to the SI.

 

Tom, do you have any more info on the MDX's calipers?

For the record,
I've had ss brake lines, x-drilled rotors f& r, and countless pads including EBC greenstuff. The only mod on that list that I've kept was the ss lines. I've never been happy with my brakes in the 5 years I've owned this car untill I did the swap to Legend calipers. This last weekend I ran the Dragon (318 turns in 11mi) with no fad nothing. My SI brakes would've NEVER been able to handle this road. Much less the 4 times in a row I ran it.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LudeyKrus &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If i ever get around to doing this swap, i'm going to put them on so it has the bleeder nut on top, like it's supposed to be.</TD></TR></TABLE>

No...

It's "supposed" to be the way they are... they say Right and Left on the calipers for a reason. There's a leading and trailing piston, they aren't the same size.

 

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No...

It's "supposed" to be the way they are... they say Right and Left on the calipers for a reason. There's a leading and trailing piston, they aren't the same size.</TD></TR></TABLE>

exactly, honda designed the calipers to mount a specific way , becasue the forces exerted are way different on a 2 piston setup than a one piston setup. the reason the bleed screw ends up facing down is because on the lude the calipers are mounted toward the passenger compartment and on the legend the caliper is mounted toward the front. there ARE leading and trailing pistons. im not sure what will happen if you swap them around, my guess is it would work, but not the way honda designed it too.

I will look more into the the MDX calipers, and let you guys know

edit : the 2003 mdx calipers might be something interesting for the 5th gen guys to look into, i keep looking around but so far i know that its 5 bolt, 16 inch disk, and 2 pistons that are the same size


Modified by prelittlelude at 9:42 PM 12/1/2003

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxlr8 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There's no VTEC bracket. The only differences are the Rotors and Calipers. just put those two on and you should be ready to go.

I opted for the NSX calipers. (used my old ones) - Stock VTEC Rotor Mounts right up to the SI. </TD></TR></TABLE>

If you start off with Si brakes (like me) then you WILL need the Brackets from a VTEC prelude = 23T

 

so who figured that the MDX calipers would fit? Why?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by racerx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Tom, do you have any more info on the MDX's calipers?

For the record,
I've had ss brake lines, x-drilled rotors f& r, and countless pads including EBC greenstuff. The only mod on that list that I've kept was the ss lines. I've never been happy with my brakes in the 5 years I've owned this car untill I did the swap to Legend calipers. This last weekend I ran the Dragon (318 turns in 11mi) with no fad nothing. My SI brakes would've NEVER been able to handle this road. Much less the 4 times in a row I ran it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

heh, last time i ran at the gap, an nsx was running through it with me. when we got to the gas station his brakes were smoking, mine were ready for some more torture.

 

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Bullshit.

On a lighter note, your cannot really compare a track brake setup to that on the street. The heart of the system (pads and fluid) is totally different.</TD></TR></TABLE>

what do you mean Bullshit? It's a real tool. Looks like a little gun, basically it's a glorified squirt gun. My buddies dad runs a shop and we used one when I put new pads and rotors on my lude. having the tool that screws the piston back into the caliper was nice too.

 

he was probably bullshitting the fact of you saying you can't get all the air out iwth out that tool, becasue many of us have and will continue to do so. sometimes i can be a huge pain in the *** to get it out, and a nice littel automotic bleeder would be nice, but you can get alll the air out. and when i did my back brakes i just used a big screw driver to screw the piston back in. works for me. peace

edit: i don't know where i got the MDX crap from, but its in my notes regaurding brake upgrades. turns out the MDX has a 16 inch rim which alows for the 300mm rotor and has the 5x114.3 lug pattern, this might be very worth while for the 5thgen guys to look into. its just a mtter of seeing if its a bolt up afair or if you could use the MDX braket


Modified by prelittlelude at 2:44 PM 12/2/2003

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by del_parker &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

heh, last time i ran at the gap, an nsx was running through it with me. when we got to the gas station his brakes were smoking, mine were ready for some more torture. </TD></TR></TABLE>


Ahh, the gap.....if only I could keep my car running so I could get down there for a day!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by prelittlelude &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">he was probably bullshitting the fact of you saying you can't get all the air out iwth out that tool, becasue many of us have and will continue to do so. sometimes i can be a huge pain in the *** to get it out, and a nice littel automotic bleeder would be nice, but you can get alll the air out. and when i did my back brakes i just used a big screw driver to screw the piston back in. works for me. peace

edit: i don't know where i got the MDX crap from, but its in my notes regaurding brake upgrades. turns out the MDX has a 16 inch rotor and has the 5x114.3 lug pattern, this might be very worth while for the 5thgen guys to look into. its just a mtter of seeing if its a bolt up afair or if you could use the MDX braket


Modified by prelittlelude at 8:49 AM 12/2/2003</TD></TR></TABLE>

The rotors aren't 16 inches, are you kidding me haha. That's Indy size man... Only a very few handful of production cars on the planet come with 16in rotors, and those cars cost $100k+

The rotors are 300mm vented in the front, which is 12 inches, and the rears are 313mm solid, or 12.5 inches. Regardless, that's still an upgrade from the legend rotors. I couldn't find the size of the pistons though.

 

whoops hehe i did right 16 inch rotor, neway, i ment 16 inch rim, and what you said is right, with a 16 inch rim they can fit a bigger rotor under there, i wonder if it is 28mm thick like the legend

edit: yup its 28mm thick like the legend
http://www.new-cars.com/2003/a....html

 

This thread makes my head hurt.

Its not really hard to get air out the convensionaly way...that was what the bullshit was for.

My legend calipers are mounted left on the right and right on the left. 10,000 miles, 7 autocrosses, and no problems.

MDX caliper are the same as legend calipers and will work.

You will need the Prelude VTEC, 5th gen prelude or 1st gen legend brackets which are 23T. The stock si brakes have 22T brackets that will not work.

I think I touched on everything. Anyone have an advil?

 

Oh, and about the brake fading issues...you will have better luck avoiding fade with good pads and fluid than big rotors, calipers and especially ebc pads.

Ouch.

 

how can the mdx calipers be the same as legend, the legend rotor is 282mm in diamiter and the mdx is 300mm in diamiter. and also looking at the parts pictures on http://www.acuraautomotiveparts.org, the caliper piston sizes between the legend and the mdx don't look the same.

 

are you sure that the calipers are exactly the same? I'm wondering since the rotors are an inch bigger, if the caliper has a slightly longer bracket, or it's just that they mount out further on the knuckle. If they are really exactly the same, then there's no way we could bolt on the MDX rotors unless someone made an extension bracket like what comes with the AEM big brake kit...

And you may not have problems with the legend calipers being put on backwards, but they were still designed that way for a reason. You may just end up wearing your pads faster without any other problems, but in any case, they're mounted wrong and that's what matters to me. I mounted mine right and they'll stay that way. It's just a brake bleed... why take the chance? Not worth it IMO.