Bad things can happen if you don't check EVERYTHING!
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Bad things can happen if you don't check EVERYTHING!
Put a motor together, and within 20 miles or so it developed a knock. Here is what I found when I tore it down:
In this photo you can see the cause of the problem-when the machine shop bored the block to 85mm, they did not go all the way down, they just bored the sleeves. There is just enough of a lip to catch the bottom of the piston skirt-note the arrow:
The other side of the bore (#3 BTW):
Here is a view from the bottom-the piston on the left of the picture is an IB Spec Wiseco (the pistons actually run in the motor), the skirt just hangs down even with the lip. The piston on the right is a JE from another motor, the skirt hangs down a good 3/8" below the lip.
Hope this does not happen to anybody else. You learn something new every day
In this photo you can see the cause of the problem-when the machine shop bored the block to 85mm, they did not go all the way down, they just bored the sleeves. There is just enough of a lip to catch the bottom of the piston skirt-note the arrow:
The other side of the bore (#3 BTW):
Here is a view from the bottom-the piston on the left of the picture is an IB Spec Wiseco (the pistons actually run in the motor), the skirt just hangs down even with the lip. The piston on the right is a JE from another motor, the skirt hangs down a good 3/8" below the lip.
Hope this does not happen to anybody else. You learn something new every day
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Block initially sleeved by Golden Eagle, bored to 85mm by Superior Machine in Anaheim, California.
Anaheim, not Fullerton-just looked at the receipt.
Modified by b19coupe at 11:15 AM 10/8/2003
Anaheim, not Fullerton-just looked at the receipt.
Modified by b19coupe at 11:15 AM 10/8/2003
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Re: Bad things can happen if you don't check EVERYTHING! (b19coupe)
oh man I feel your pain.
to find that out within 20 miles that there is that big a problem with your new setup.
Musta been a shock I bet and what a lot of work to go to in order to fix the problem.
man, what a PITA!
to find that out within 20 miles that there is that big a problem with your new setup.
Musta been a shock I bet and what a lot of work to go to in order to fix the problem.
man, what a PITA!
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Re: (b19coupe)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b19coupe »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Block initially sleeved by Golden Eagle, bored to 85mm by Superior Machine in Fullerton, California.</TD></TR></TABLE>
throw the block back at em'
at least show them that they fugged up.
see what they say.
throw the block back at em'
at least show them that they fugged up.
see what they say.
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Well here is a surprise: the machine shop accepted ZERO responsibility.
As I expected. Their argument is that their responsibility ends with the cylinders. "The boring bar does not go down that far. That part of the block would have to be hand machined with a die grinder." The person who assembled the motor (me) should have checked all clearances. "I bet you will check that from now on." No ****
At first they were trying to say that pistons usually looked like that due to oil starvation or the cylinder wall clearances being too tight. I reminded them that they had the pistons and they checked the cylinder wall clearances when they bored the motor. And oil starvation on one cylinder? Once they acknowledged that the lip hitting the skirt was most likely the problem, they took the tack that their responsibility ended with the bore. Whatever. Like I said in the title of this post-" Check everything!". Live and learn
As I expected. Their argument is that their responsibility ends with the cylinders. "The boring bar does not go down that far. That part of the block would have to be hand machined with a die grinder." The person who assembled the motor (me) should have checked all clearances. "I bet you will check that from now on." No ****
At first they were trying to say that pistons usually looked like that due to oil starvation or the cylinder wall clearances being too tight. I reminded them that they had the pistons and they checked the cylinder wall clearances when they bored the motor. And oil starvation on one cylinder? Once they acknowledged that the lip hitting the skirt was most likely the problem, they took the tack that their responsibility ended with the bore. Whatever. Like I said in the title of this post-" Check everything!". Live and learn
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TurboChrgd_Civic »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So it was orginally sleeved by GE, and then you had it bored to 85mm by a machine shop? Why not have GE do the whole thing?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Original bore was 84mm-this was the second incarnation of that block. No problems the first time, just looking for more power/compresssion.
Original bore was 84mm-this was the second incarnation of that block. No problems the first time, just looking for more power/compresssion.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b19coupe »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well here is a surprise: the machine shop accepted ZERO responsibility.
As I expected. Their argument is that their responsibility ends with the cylinders. "The boring bar does not go down that far. That part of the block would have to be hand machined with a die grinder." The person who assembled the motor (me) should have checked all clearances. "I bet you will check that from now on." No ****
At first they were trying to say that pistons usually looked like that due to oil starvation or the cylinder wall clearances being too tight. I reminded them that they had the pistons and they checked the cylinder wall clearances when they bored the motor. And oil starvation on one cylinder? Once they acknowledged that the lip hitting the skirt was most likely the problem, they took the tack that their responsibility ended with the bore. Whatever. Like I said in the title of this post-" Check everything!". Live and learn </TD></TR></TABLE>
Did you happen to mention you are one of the most respected members of the largest online Honda community, and the cornerstone of any advertising campaign? I'd think that competition in southern california would be such that they'd accept any sort of liability.
As I expected. Their argument is that their responsibility ends with the cylinders. "The boring bar does not go down that far. That part of the block would have to be hand machined with a die grinder." The person who assembled the motor (me) should have checked all clearances. "I bet you will check that from now on." No ****
At first they were trying to say that pistons usually looked like that due to oil starvation or the cylinder wall clearances being too tight. I reminded them that they had the pistons and they checked the cylinder wall clearances when they bored the motor. And oil starvation on one cylinder? Once they acknowledged that the lip hitting the skirt was most likely the problem, they took the tack that their responsibility ended with the bore. Whatever. Like I said in the title of this post-" Check everything!". Live and learn
</TD></TR></TABLE>Did you happen to mention you are one of the most respected members of the largest online Honda community, and the cornerstone of any advertising campaign? I'd think that competition in southern california would be such that they'd accept any sort of liability.
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Did you happen to mention you are one of the most respected members of the largest online Honda community, and the cornerstone of any advertising campaign? I'd think that competition in southern california would be such that they'd accept any sort of liability. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Did you happen to mention you are one of the most respected members of the largest online Honda community, and the cornerstone of any advertising campaign? I'd think that competition in southern california would be such that they'd accept any sort of liability. </TD></TR></TABLE>
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Re: Bad things can happen if you don't check EVERYTHING! (b19coupe)
MAN THAT SUCKS! glad you have had a good experience with the ge sleeves and that you share your experiences with everyone and everyone benifits form it and can save money too!
good luck bro on your rebuild again! I know how it feel to build a motor and have the sleeves drop after a few runs not on just one but 3 of our motors it sucks but hey we have to learn somehow!
good luck bro on your rebuild again! I know how it feel to build a motor and have the sleeves drop after a few runs not on just one but 3 of our motors it sucks but hey we have to learn somehow!
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Re: Bad things can happen if you don't check EVERYTHING! (Big Teggie)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Big Teggie »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ouch...
What are your new plans?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Hone the block if possible-if not. 86mm.
Got another block boring to 85mm-got new pistons. One way or the other, this thing is going to be up and running for Pomona.
What are your new plans?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Hone the block if possible-if not. 86mm.
Got another block boring to 85mm-got new pistons. One way or the other, this thing is going to be up and running for Pomona.
