Just got the car done today down here in TX. It runs really nice, and pulls much harder than it did before the build. Skunk2 stage 2 cams, Skunk2 ss valves, S2 cams gears, S2 springs & Ti. retainers. Hotshot header (connected to exaust) 2.5" exhaust-carsound cat. The next thing to do is bump the compression about 2 points



Enjoy...

Mark


Modified by SilverEk3dr at 4:41 AM 10/3/2003

 

wow..they finally released that damn intake mani..about time..nice numbers...time for some more tunning..i know u can make a good 200whp with that setup and more dyno tunning

 

not to be rude but...
you do have quite a bit of torque...but only 175 to the wheels w/ all those mods? who tuned you? do you have an aftermarket ecu, FPR, did they adjust your ignition timing? it seems a little weak, thats all...seems like something might be wrong

 

The only part I dont have is the Intake manifold (which at this point is holding me back). Its a p28 w/hondata S200 Perfect 13.2:1 a/f all the way to redline. I wasnt too impressed with the numbers till I got to drive it! Remeber the C/R is like 10:1 so the stage II could actually be hurting the Hp at this point.....

 

oops..i thought u had the manifold..im a dumbass...

 

have you done a compression check on all the cylinders...that was my problem last year...w/ h22a1 stock bottom end, stock cams, ferrea valve train, it made 183whp and 163tq w/ a shitty DC header...now it's making 203whp and 158tq w/ just adding a DTR header. Check the compression, and if that's not it...get someone else to tune it...

 

This is my impression after going to the dyno.

Forget what everyone says about what your set-up "should" make. The proof is in my *** when its glued to the seat @ WOT. Theres about a ton of diff kind of dyno's, and I bet if I were to go to another dyno I could probably make more.

I have done compression tests (before the build) and they were all good. I am sure that it is the same now. Although I am gonna check just for the hell of it. I'm also Gonna go ahead put in some prelude type S pistons later down the road, and see what good it does me.

 

you need a better flowing header.. skunk stage 2's should peak out arounf 8k rpms on that motor

 

did you try leaning it out any... i have found w/those cams the engine likes to run a little leaner .. around 13.8-14.0:1 for best power

 

stock h22a w/ vafc -> http://www.dragva.com/forums/s...=dyno

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by split &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">stock h22a w/ vafc -&gt; http://www.dragva.com/forums/s...=dyno</TD></TR></TABLE>I see nothing.

 

forgive me if i sound like a noob but 14.0 :1 at wot seems massivly lean to me am i wrong?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">did you try leaning it out any... i have found w/those cams the engine likes to run a little leaner .. around 13.8-14.0:1 for best power</TD></TR></TABLE>

I didnt personally try to run it any leaner, but I know for sure that it was running kinda lean on a few runs, and didnt show any better results.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you need a better flowing header.. skunk stage 2's should peak out arounf 8k rpms on that motor</TD></TR></TABLE>

Lets see some examples then!

Edit: Most people say that the best a/f for N/a motors is 13.2:1


Modified by SilverEk3dr at 11:25 PM 10/4/2003

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by omega11855 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">forgive me if i sound like a noob but 14.0 :1 at wot seems massivly lean to me am i wrong?</TD></TR></TABLE>

not really. as long as you make sure the egts arent too high and watch for detonation you can run it that lean.

 

that's around how much I'm making with Stage 1's on a b18c1. But you have a good amount of torque.

 

I think I know what I did wrong. While the head was off the motor I went and took the intake apart, and made a special gasket for the upper intake/spacer (for the IAB's) that cut off the 4 square ports that are supposed to be used for low-end. I am not sure if this had a negative affect, but I am starting to wonder now.

I think I'm gonna take the gaskets I made off, and put the oem ones back on. Cuz now that I think back it seems that the air would flow really funny in the intake with those blocked off.

 

So I take it that you tried to make your own hondata gasket? I'm not trying to knock you or anything just curious. And yeah those numbers do seem a little low. Who tuned your car for you? I take that you have a usdm h22 if you have 10.1 compression. I"m not trying to bash you I"m just trying to find out as much info as possible about H22 considering I'm dropping one in my eg over the winter.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kwik93si &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">have you done a compression check on all the cylinders...that was my problem last year...w/ h22a1 stock bottom end, stock cams, ferrea valve train, it made 183whp and 163tq w/ a shitty DC header...now it's making 203whp and 158tq w/ just adding a DTR header. Check the compression, and if that's not it...get someone else to tune it...</TD></TR></TABLE>

how come you gained 20whp but lost torque with Dannys header? i dont get it.

 

I'll bet you're dissappointed..

 

Damn, I made 190whp, and 156lbs of torque with only I/H/E and cam gears. I was also on 18's and had leaky rings.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So I take it that you tried to make your own hondata gasket? I'm not trying to knock you or anything just curious. And yeah those numbers do seem a little low. Who tuned your car for you? I take that you have a usdm h22 if you have 10.1 compression. I"m not trying to bash you I"m just trying to find out as much info as possible about H22 considering I'm dropping one in my eg over the winter.</TD></TR></TABLE>

No I didnt try to make my own hondata gasket. I'm not talking about the gasket between the manifold & the head. I talking about the gaskets between the IAB plate in the upper part of the intake manifold. I blocked off the 4 square (low-end) ports thinking that I wouldnt make a difference. Yeah my motor is usdm 10:1, but not for long

I not pissed. The car feels better than it did before which kinda explains things. I already got to race a few friends that used to be door to door with me, and I was pulling car-lengths on em'

This weekend I'm pulling the intake apart, and going back to the dyno.

Mark

 

Yeah take that intake off and let us know how it works out and what numbers you produce then.

 

get the new rs machine vtec killer cams for h22a super good

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Skunk2nR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">that's around how much I'm making with Stage 1's on a b18c1. But you have a good amount of torque. </TD></TR></TABLE>

thats damn good. friend of mine with toda spec b's and hondata is making around 165whp.

 

I agree about the 8000 rpm comment. I recently tuned an H22 with the Skunk cams and the power was still climbing at 8k, but he didn't have the bottom end to rev much higher. Produced quite a bit more power too.

Blocking off those intake runners probably hurts flow as the car is designed to breath through both of them at high rpm.

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