Anyone here ever use non detergent motor oil for a new engine break in?Supposidely it is supposed to allow the rings to break in faster...anyone???

 

anyone?

 

thats what i've been tought.
i always use non-detergent for brake in.
never had any problems.

 

your supposed to use non-detergent because it allows the rings to wear better with your cyl walls since non-detergent has no aditives that kinda make the particales in your oil float in the oil.

 

visiOn is right, much better break in with non detergent motor oil, and using the cheap stuff is fine so you don't have to go out there and try to find some crazy brand name nt oil, detergent oil will wash away the little particles in the oil that help break in the motor. My buddy used reg. detergent motor oil with some chrome rings and it took almost 7,500 mile for the rings to seat. I used non detergent and my rings were seated in less than 1,000

 

Thank you very much for the replies.Anyone else care to share their experiences??

 

Im getting head work done right now (P&P, new valves, cams...) without touching my bottom end, does this require the same kind of process?

 

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How do you know when the rings will seat? I have 300mi into my break-in.

 

I've always used Castrol SAE 30 for break-in period, 1,000 miles or so. Change it the 1st 500 miles.

Then after that, I just used the stuff that comes out of the bulk,
-Bert

 

your rings aren't broken in when your car smokes or your spark plugs show sign of oil bypass

 

rocket likes non detergent stuff to.

i dont know enough to say either way

there isnt really anyone near me that has non detergent stuff

 

non-detergent oil would be specifically labeled right? Where can I get it?

 

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there isnt really anyone near me that has non detergent stuff</TD></TR></TABLE>

Sure there is. Just get some from Walmart or some place like that. If it's a buck and a half a quart then that is what you want to use.

 

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Sure there is. Just get some from Walmart or some place like that. If it's a buck and a half a quart then that is what you want to use. </TD></TR></TABLE>

That is what I used and the stuff worked just fine.

 

NAPA also carries it, its really cheap.

And Rings should seat within the first 20 miles or they probably will never seat correctly.

 

what non-detergent oil do you guys use? so use 4 quarts of this stuff for 500 miles then change back to normal oil?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ek_jeremy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what non-detergent oil do you guys use? so use 4 quarts of this stuff for 500 miles then change back to normal oil?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Napa 30w non-detergent for 500 miles. Changed after 20 miles, then again at 500 miles. Changed to Castrol GTX 10w30 (non-synthetic) for 500 more. Change again, beat on car accordingly.

 

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How do you know when the rings will seat? I have 300mi into my break-in.</TD></TR></TABLE>

We usually compression check every 50 miles. Once the cylinders have all reached a reasonably equal cylinder pressure, the rings have seated accordingly. Can take anywhere from 15 to 700 miles depending on how you drive the car. Best way is to put a low rpm load on the motor while changing the rpms so the revvs do not stay constant for too long. City driving around hills...etc. The non-detergent oil helps this process speed up, but it can still be done with a detergent oil.

 

anyone have problems with burning oil during break in? and did it cease after a certain amount of miles?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ChillOutWayne &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">anyone have problems with burning oil during break in? and did it cease after a certain amount of miles?</TD></TR></TABLE>It should burn until the rings are seated

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 3rdGteg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It should burn until the rings are seated</TD></TR></TABLE>

this is a most informative thread...i've learned so much in motor break-in tonight that i'm gonna apply some of it to my own motor this week...hope it works

 

Wal-Mart has some too. I like the ND stuff alot. Even on motors already broken in

Pure oil is slicker than oil with additives

 

ok I have a few questons on this as well....

I full plan on beating the **** out of my motor for the break in like that article says....BUUUT

its probably going to run like ****.... for a few reasons


type R bottom end instead of the b16

Brand new clutch and flywheel....

Hondata...

ok so if its not tuned and I leave the cam gears at zero...i go to set the rings and change the oil after 20 miles....

do i first let the car warm up and ensure that VTEC works or do I even need to take it that high that soon...

clutch break in says 500 miles of moderate city driving....

how do I know the base map I use isn't going to be all messed up?


Dave

 

If you set-up is straight forwarded a base map written from the RomEditor usually works well.

 

Im at about 1200 now on the break in, still running **** oil for a few more hundred miles. i dont think im burning oil now but im gonna keep checking to make sure. in about 200 miles or so im gonna go back to good ol Mobil 1...turbo is goin on within the month