OK, just a little more FYI.
As you should know by now, Honda has discontinued the older 'large' oil filters (PT7, and POH) and superceded them to the newer 'small' filters (PLM). These PLM filters are all made in Canada by Fram.

That's all old news.

If you (like me) are an OEM nut, and (like me) don't like the smaller filters, you now have another option. YAY

Honda part # 15400-PCX-004

The S2000 filter is the same size as the discontinued PT7s and POHs.
The icing on the cake is that they're not made by Fram, or even Filtech, the other filter manufacturer that's common for US OEM filters. These PCX filters are made in the mother-land by none other than Toyo-Roki.

Cliffs Notes: You can now get OEM Toyo-Roki oil filters in the US. YAY!

 

 

you can get HAMP oil filters here too..i got one on my b16..i got a question for you peeps,would the smaller oil filter create more oil pressure and the bigger filter have better filtration?i didnt do any reasearch on that question..hehe

 

I think filtration should be the same. I haven't tested, but I doubt Honda would go for less protection. I think the housing is just smaller, therefore, higher oil psi.

 

wrong!
no change in psi at all... think about it. The filter fills up with oil, the only difference is the area of the filter material, which according to most manufactures recommend changing the filter every other oil change, so unless your motor is junk and taking itself apart, a smaller filter will not make any difference other than make all those special filter sockets useless!
The only reason I like a bigger filter, is that it increases the capacity of oil that your engine can hold.

 

wow i like that wrong part with the ! after it..hehe ya i like the bigger filters for the same reason..just as long as its not a fram or napa or somethin like that

 

exactly...order of importance flow capacity filtration

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mochanic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wrong!
no change in psi at all... think about it. The filter fills up with oil, the only difference is the area of the filter material, which according to most manufactures recommend changing the filter every other oil change, so unless your motor is junk and taking itself apart, a smaller filter will not make any difference other than make all those special filter sockets useless!
The only reason I like a bigger filter, is that it increases the capacity of oil that your engine can hold.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well according to honda on their technicial service news - the reason for the smaller filter is to help increase oil pressure. I will pose this sometime this week - I just have to dig it somewhere in my tool box or get another copy.

 

OK,
just for an example... you have a 1" line with a 3"chamber in the middle of it, and 1" line on the other side... ===O=== now you completely fill up the line including the chamber... the psi does not change on either side of the chamber, only the volume of whatever is inside the line and chamber... does this make any since? the only way to change the psi is to change either the inlet or oulet before or after the chamber... goes back to good ol physics.
Honda did it to consolidate p/ns and make more room both under the hood of newer models and in the wharehouses... straight from the Acura district REP!

Oh yeah, a smaller filter takes less time to fill up during initial start since most of the oil has draied back after sitting for awhile.

Any questions?


Modified by Mochanic at 1:03 AM 9/26/2003

 

have anybody tried it and does it fit non-s2000?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HONDADNA &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Well according to honda on their technicial service news - the reason for the smaller filter is to help increase oil pressure. I will pose this sometime this week - I just have to dig it somewhere in my tool box or get another copy.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Now, I have read this as well. It's curious because all the "older" articles on filters suggest that a larger filter is better. However, it seems that now some are swaying toward smaller filters that "increase" pressure. Anyone have any more insight into all this??

 

the factory p/n for an S2000 filter is a 15400-PR3-004
this same p/n is used on most Honda and Acura to date.
If you want I can post a pic of the Honda parts software that shows this info.
All 88 and up Integra use this filter.

OOps it was late, and the R is t close to the 4! Sorry!!!


Modified by Mochanic at 1:09 PM 9/26/2003

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mochanic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">OK,
just for an example... you have a 1" line with a 3"chamber in the middle of it, and 1" line on the other side... ===O=== now you completely fill up the line including the chamber... the psi does not change on either side of the chamber, only the volume of whatever is inside the line and chamber... does this make any since? the only way to change the psi is to change either the inlet or oulet before or after the chamber... goes back to good ol physics.
Honda did it to consolidate p/ns and make more room both under the hood of newer models and in the wharehouses... straight from the Acura district REP!

Any questions?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well you maybe right, I never said that you were wrong nor disagreed with you. However, DMS rep. don't know technicial things - they are just an inside to honda and acura. Any ways call honda tech line tomorrow and pick option one and ask for ron or any tech line staff and ask them for the service news on the reason honda went with the smaller filter. Better yet, log on to isis from your dealer if you are honda tech. and search for the service news yourself.

I was just going by what Honda say. Perhaps, the reason is to save room at the parts department - but really who cares. I'm just posting on behalf of Honda Motor.

 

I guess that if you work for Honda, then you know that if i did call techline tomorrow that the answer I would get would be "we don't know... call us back when you figure it out". (Thats at the bottom of their technician help manual when everything fails)
Our DSM is allot more than an inside service guy... he's also over parts and knows more about whats going on at the factory than probably most of the people that work there.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mochanic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the factory p/n for an S2000 filter is a 15400-P43-004
this same p/n is used on most Honda and Acura to date.
If you want I can post a pic of the Honda parts software that shows this info.
All 88 and up Integra use this filter.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I am 100% POSITIVE that the S2000 oil filter part # is 15400-PCX-004.
I am looking at the filter and catalog right now.
Also, I've NEVER seen the P43 part # before, anywhere. We had PT7 or POH before the PLMs. Where did you get that # from? Just curious, not doubting.

And, yes, the S2000 filter WILL fit any honda the older large filters fit.
As for the oil psi issue, I don't know for sure either way. I just like the larger capacity, and don't want to buy a new filter wrench.



Modified by Galvatron at 7:12 AM 9/27/2003

 

The part # for the S2K filter is 15400-PCX-004. It WILL fit non-S2K engines, and is made in Japan. Also, the smaller filter #15400-PLM-A02 has been proven to increase oil pressure up to 8 p.s.i.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by pro1342 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Also, the smaller filter #15400-PLM-A02 has been proven to increase oil pressure up to 8 p.s.i.</TD></TR></TABLE>

This is what I heard as well. I don't know why Honda would distribute mis-information to it's dealers about something so small as an oil filter.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mochanic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I guess that if you work for Honda, then you know that if i did call techline tomorrow that the answer I would get would be "we don't know... call us back when you figure it out". (Thats at the bottom of their technician help manual when everything fails)
Our DSM is allot more than an inside service guy... he's also over parts and knows more about whats going on at the factory than probably most of the people that work there.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah your right! I called this morning and tried to get a hold of ron from tech line - and I was told he's helping someone at the moment. So, I ask him if he can help out and gave another number to call. I think I will call john Berk the zone 1 dms head management or call jerry or rick at the portland training center and ask them what's the deal on the smaller filter issue.

I will call them today and will repost later on tonight.


Modified by HONDADNA at 4:24 PM 9/26/2003

 

100% huh...

check this out. http://www.attituderacing.com/S2000.jpg

 

Damn.....ya'll are still using Hondanet 2000? That is just as out-dated as that discontinued part number......

 

no, its my own personal software along with Acuralink 2000 that I keep at home!
It being out of date is not the issue, it just proves that an S2000 can use the same filter as most other Honda/Acuras!
Since the dealers have gone to a web based software, I have not had time to hack it yet so I can use it at home like my other 2 programs... so on you!
I have over 11 yrs of Acura experience, most of it being a certified master tech, so don't give me that crap! I'm not here like some punks to just flame people... I'm here to help and answer some technical questions as well as its what I do for a living on my own!

 

Whoa, whoa, whoa........don't get your panties in a wad. I was commenting on the old system and old part #. Glad to see you are using your resources. And yes, it will fit other cars that used that type of filter. As far as experience, I'm right there with you....

Sorry, no flaming here.

 

no problem... just wondering, your 27 and you have at least 11 years experience of actually working full time at a Honda/Acura dealer?
Damn I thought I was young when I started when I was 19 right after graduating from Wyoming tech! Did you finish high school?, 27-11=16... not flaming, just trying to figure out how "your right there with me".
We don't need to turn this into a pissing match, so I'm stopping there!

 

Actually....4 years at a local performance shop, 6 years at a dealer. I never said "11 years dealer experience". There are some things you learn about Hondas that the dealer, and Wyoming Tech, doesn't teach you.....swaps, turbos, nitrous, part interchanges, etc. There are techs that have been with Honda/Acura for 25+ years and don't know squat. I'm not looking for a pissing match either, just looking to help some people out, and learn something new from others. So check my profile and do the math, that's fine.

 

so lets finish this topic off by answering my question..what are the best filters to get jdm or usdm doesnt matter?..i prefer oil pressure to filtration cuz i dont mind changing filters more often i just want my motor extra lubed up...i like a juicy motor..hehe