im not here to bullshit, ineed some light rods, that will last 50,000 miles.
i need to know whats available and the pro's/con's for all.

i talked to a kid running crower maxi-lights. something like 1200 a set, but very light.
ive also heared a few people mention carillo, and pauter (sp).

im really curious to the metals used and the weight of all the lightweight allmotor rods available.

what i dont wanna be is the one who jumps on the eagle bandwagon....

BTW- the motor wont see over 215whp

 

Well in all honesty I think stock rods would be doable for that. To be on the safe side though upgraded rods woudln't hurt. You say Eagle bandwagon like it's a bad thing. There's a reason why there's a band wagon. Eagle rods are great for all motor set-ups and lite under 350whp turbo set-ups. They are cheap to boot. If you want someone to tell you to not get on the Eagle bandwagon and spend more then you need to fine....get Cunninghams. Nothing else though is worth it for you for such a moderate set-up.

 

you can also try probe ultra light rods, there in the 400 gram catagory. not to pricey either.

 

definately try those probes out, they are very light and cheap!! great all-motor rod!

I saw them in person and they look great and light hand in hand versus a eagle rod. Also my friend is running them now without any problems and a couple of the fastest all-motor street and race cars are using them..

 

eagle is heavier from what ive heared than the stock GSR rod! are the probe rods available in a b18c? last time i chekced they werent...

 

does ANYONE know anything about rods? wht about manley rods?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mr Milano &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well in all honesty I think stock rods would be doable for that. To be on the safe side though upgraded rods woudln't hurt. You say Eagle bandwagon like it's a bad thing. There's a reason why there's a band wagon. Eagle rods are great for all motor set-ups and lite under 350whp turbo set-ups. They are cheap to boot. If you want someone to tell you to not get on the Eagle bandwagon and spend more then you need to fine....get Cunninghams. Nothing else though is worth it for you for such a moderate set-up.</TD></TR></TABLE>

very well said

i run eagles in my car, cheap and effective.

well i hope as hell they are heavier than GSR rods, u got 2Xs the material there. u said u need ultra light rods yet u say ur shootin for nothin over 215HP. hell dude u dont even need ultra light rods. since ur not shootin for the stars for HP spending a shitload of money is just that a ****** waste. sounds more to me like u want the "bling" factor of having the ultra light rods, when in fact u dont even need them. to the postee for not making any sense.

 

I was looking into the Manley's as well. Do a search for the Full Race rods, they are made by Manley. They have the weights listed there. I think the Eagles were about 30 grams more than the Manley's.

 

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very well said

i run eagles in my car, cheap and effective.

well i hope as hell they are heavier than GSR rods, u got 2Xs the material there. u said u need ultra light rods yet u say ur shootin for nothin over 215HP. hell dude u dont even need ultra light rods. since ur not shootin for the stars for HP spending a shitload of money is just that a ****** waste. sounds more to me like u want the "bling" factor of having the ultra light rods, when in fact u dont even need them. to the postee for not making any sense. </TD></TR></TABLE>
WTF is your problem. im running an n/a motor. i dont need high horsepower, but i do want RESPONSIVENESS what the **** does it matter how much horsepower im pushing, why the hell did you make your car light? perhaps the same reason i dont want rods that are heavy. oh yeah.. weight is enemy. lets put some nice thic steel on the roof of your car so that if you rol over you can be 120% sure its not going to crush in. oh wait maybe u dont like extra weight for no reason.. why do i need rods good to 350 HP when im only going to be ushing 230-240 crank.

 

Eagle are junk. The rods cost less than a stock rod. Ever seen a piston that's cheaper than a stock one?
Drop the money and get Carrillo. You'll be more likely to melt your engine block than throw one of those rods out the side of it. The rod bolts are bigger than anything I've seen before. The Eagle rods use rod bolts that look about the same size as an ARP for a stock rod, if not smaller. The rod is heavier than stock so why not use a larger bolt? I've seen more than one Eagle fail because of the bolts.
The Carrillos also weigh 409g. Very nice rod, you get what you pay for.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RyanR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Eagle are junk. The rods cost less than a stock rod. Ever seen a piston that's cheaper than a stock one?
Drop the money and get Carrillo. You'll be more likely to melt your engine block than throw one of those rods out the side of it. The rod bolts are bigger than anything I've seen before. The Eagle rods use rod bolts that look about the same size as an ARP for a stock rod, if not smaller. The rod is heavier than stock so why not use a larger bolt? I've seen more than one Eagle fail because of the bolts.
The Carrillos also weigh 409g. Very nice rod, you get what you pay for.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i apreciate the info

409 grams..
can anyone provide any weights for stock ITR rods and for the eagles?
i would like to get some kinda idea on what kinda difference there is between the big names and the OEM rod

 

OEM Honda ITR rods, on the avg, have about 549.5g of mass, with no bearings....just the rod, rod bolts, and nuts. That avg is based upon the (4) ITR rods I have measured with individual weights of 551g, 551g, 549g, 547g. I still have a brand new set that I have yet to measure.

I've seen figures for the ESP rods at around 535g, with the Probe Ultra-lites at -15% of that mass (both unconfirmed). I won't be disassembling my GS-R engine until next year, so I won't have masses on the GS-R's rods until then.

THe ESP's use a 5/16" (8mm) ARP 2000 rod bolt. I'm still not 100% sure what the Probe Ultra-lites and Carillo rods use, but my best guess is a 3/8" (10mm) rod bolt.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by johnzm &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why do i need rods good to 350 HP when im only going to be ushing 230-240 crank. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Exactly what I was trying to tell you. So why do you think you need manley, carrillo, pauter etc... when all these rods have been proven to handle a good 600whp?

If you are looking for a rod for responsiveness then buy Probe's on a budget or have Cunningham make you some if you got $$$. To me not really worth it for your application.

 

I got crower pro rods in my h22a allmotor and well the weight was almost identical to an h22a jdm stock rod.

not sure on the weight.

but does weight REALLY matter that much for an all motor.. how much are we talking in loss ?

 

Weight is a huge factor in all motor. It's huge in any motor, weather its forced induction or naturally aspirated. Less weight increases the life of the engine and provides more power, given that the parts are strong enough and the weight reduction doesn't weaken the part.

 

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i wish other people thought the same way we do.


so, the lightest rods s far are the carrillos', coming in at 409 grams while hte GSR come in at 549 grams, and an "unconfirmed" 535 for the ESP (eagles, i assume?)
can anyone get an accurate number on the eagles for me??

 

full race, carrillo, or new eagle rods and lots others

best is to talk with a really good engine builder that has a b18c sumtin that goes to 11k alot

from what I have learned about rods in the last few months, most people on here seem pretty clueless about recomending stuff. the people who know what works, wont always open their mouth and tell everyone.

there are alot of good rod companies out there, and alot of really bad ones. choose very very wisely

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bob-DC2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">full race, carrillo, or new eagle rods and lots others

best is to talk with a really good engine builder that has a b18c sumtin that goes to 11k alot

from what I have learned about rods in the last few months, most people on here seem pretty clueless about recomending stuff. the people who know what works, wont always open their mouth and tell everyone.

there are alot of good rod companies out there, and alot of really bad ones. choose very very wisely</TD></TR></TABLE>

i wish some of the more well known allmotor people would come outta hiding and give us some "general" reccomendations on rod choice. *hint hint, rocket, omniman*

 

I have run a set of Crower rods for 3 years and about 30,000 miles. Taken to 9,500 regularly and 10,000 from time to time. Zero problems. The rods are heavier than many rods out there. I have no doubt that the rods and the rod bolts that come with them are strong.

Building a new motor with the Probe B18C rods, so I will have to let you know how those hold up.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by johnzm &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
WTF is your problem. im running an n/a motor. i dont need high horsepower, but i do want RESPONSIVENESS what the **** does it matter how much horsepower im pushing, why the hell did you make your car light? perhaps the same reason i dont want rods that are heavy. oh yeah.. weight is enemy. why do i need rods good to 350 HP when im only going to be ushing 230-240 crank. </TD></TR></TABLE>

The fact is you don't need ultra light rods. In your setup they won't make a very noticable difference if any at all. Removing some screws and bolts from the interior of the car can save you a few grams of weight for free.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by johnzm &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what i dont wanna be is the one who jumps on the eagle bandwagon.... </TD></TR></TABLE>
I'm sure all of these picky ITR owners would use Eagle rods if they were ****.

EDIT: If you want to know what Rocket and Omniman think about rods, look at their engines. S-E-A-R-C-H

 

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The fact is you don't need ultra light rods. In your setup they won't make a very noticable difference if any at all. Removing some screws and bolts from the interior of the car can save you a few grams of weight for free.


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There is a difference in a few grams that are spinning to 9-10k rpm as opposed to a few grams sitting in your interior.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by itec311 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
There is a difference in a few grams that are spinning to 9-10k rpm as opposed to a few grams sitting in your interior. </TD></TR></TABLE>Yes, I know. He said he wanted responsivness. Ultra light rods won't make a very big difference. Then he said weight is bad, so take some bolts and screws out to make up for the "heavy" rods.

 

Latest numbers on the (8) ITR conrods I have.

Set 1:
1 - (22) 553g
2 - (24) 547g *
3 - (24) 547g *
4 - (24) 544g

Set 2:
1 - (22) 549g
2 - (22) 548g *
3 - (22) 550g
4 - (25) 547g *

I'm gonna take the (3) 547g rods with (1) 548g rod and sanding off a little material from the top of the small-end to knock it down a gram.

 

instead of getting the lightest rods and spending alot of money....why dont u get the probes and remove some weight from other parts of the rotating assembly...flywheel/crank pulley/crank/external oil pump..............instead of spending 1k on the lightest rods........just my opinion......

 

Eagle claims 510grams for their ESP GSR rods. I don't know if it's accurate or not, I didn't weigh mine before installing them.