Anyone know the difference in spec between these two motors?

 

one blue top is from the accord sir-t and is called the f20b. it has same hp, slightly higher compression, and slightly lower tq.
the other blue top is the h23a vtec from the accord sir-t wagon. it has the same hp and slightly higher tq.
there are a couple different red tops, mainly i just know that they have slightly higher hp, compression, and tq over the other h22s.

but be careful, its possible for someone to buy the valve cover alone

 

Difference is the color One is Red and one is Blue

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by CD8 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">one blue top is from the accord sir-t and is called the f20b. it has same hp, slightly higher compression, and slightly lower tq.
the other blue top is the h23a vtec from the accord sir-t wagon. it has the same hp and slightly higher tq.
there are a couple different red tops, mainly i just know that they have slightly higher hp, compression, and tq over the other h22s.

but be careful, its possible for someone to buy the valve cover alone </TD></TR></TABLE>


Ummm.... No?

Blue=Euro Accord-R
Red=JDM Type-S prelude(220PS). Plain, simple. Done.

 

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Ummm.... No?

Blue=Euro Accord-R
Red=JDM Type-S prelude(220PS). Plain, simple. Done.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Actually, I dont believe so.

I think the Euro-R is red top. Like CD8 said, the H23A VTEC also has a blue top, as is the F20B. One left out was the Prelude SiR S-Spec which was also blue I think.

 

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Ummm.... No?

Blue=Euro Accord-R
Red=JDM Type-S prelude(220PS). Plain, simple. Done.</TD></TR></TABLE>

dont be so sure about stuff you dont know.....

cd8 is on the money for everything ....

 

H23A VTEC == Euro-R accord wagon so he's correct

 

Is there even a Euro-R Wagon?

The H23A VTEC is in an Accord Wagon Sir-T I'm pretty sure.

 

yup what he said, sorry i left out the prelude type s which is also red

 

It was just just Sir wagon... the Accord Sir and Sir-T had the F20B..

To recap....

Blue

F20B
Accord/Troneo Sir and Sir-T (CF4) (JDM)
200ps/145tq
notes: Type-S head and cams, 2.0L block 11:1 85mm pistons




H23A VTEC
Accord Sir Wagon (CH9) (JDM)
200ps/163tq
notes: 10.6:1 CR, open deck likely regular H22a head.



Red

H22A (Euro-R Spec)
Accord Euro-R (CL1) (JDM)
notes: Type-S head and cams 11:1 CR, single stage manifold, T2W4 short geared tranny with LSD



H22A7
Accord Type-R (CH1) (Europe)
Notes: Same as Euro-R above, 212hp, dfferent header, tranny code is U2Q7 and has a shorter 5th gear.



H22A (S-spec)
Prelude Type-S and Sir spec-S (BB6)
Notes: Type-S head and cams 11:1 CR, dual stage IM, ATTS (S) or regular geared LSD tranny (Sir)
http://www.honda.co.jp/PRELUDE/2000/

Type-S



School is adjourned



Modified by satan_srv at 1:49 AM 9/9/2003

 

That header looks pretty nice. Nice long and fat looking primaries... Potential JDM 4-1 craze with this header like the B-series boys have been doing??

 

but if you read what the massa said, thats from the EUROPEAN h22 so it'd be EDM yO!

 

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That header looks pretty nice. Nice long and fat looking primaries... Potential JDM 4-1 craze with this header like the B-series boys have been doing??</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thats the stock header, I can't tell if your asking or telling. I remember reading why the H and F series 4-1 headers diden't work, it was either size limitations or they just flat out sucked.

 

Here's the real question....

I have a 1997 JDM Prelude Type SiR and I need to know if the BlueTop, whichever engine it may be, will directly swap into my car. My tranny failed and I am trying to buy a front clip with a 5-speed tranny that will swap right into my car and bolt up with no extreme mods or alterations.

Help!

 

any h22 will fit

 

Will the tranny bolt right into place without any mods to the linkage and wiring?

 

well if you get the h23a from the wagon that only comes in auto...

but if you get the one with the 5spd and you already have a 5spd it should be plug and play

 

My car is auto and I am trying to swap it to 5-speed.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BaSiC Evil &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My car is auto and I am trying to swap it to 5-speed.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well if you are looking at a front clip with a blue top motor and a 5 speed tranny, it must be an F20B....it has good power but slightly less torque. You will have to swap over your power steering brackets and pump and the crank pulley but everything else is cool.

Get them to check the engine code, it's not an H22a...just a destroked version of it..the F20B..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mike95lude &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

That header looks pretty nice. Nice long and fat looking primaries... Potential JDM 4-1 craze with this header like the B-series boys have been doing??</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm pretty sure it's still a 4-2-1, and if the motor is advertised as 212hp...seems kinda weird...

 

I don't need or want a blue-top I need a 5-speed tranny with all the fixins that will swap directly into my car.

Considering my need, do I need a 5-speed tranny from a 5th generation? Will the shift linkage and other parts from a 4th generation bolt right in instead?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BaSiC Evil &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't need or want a blue-top I need a 5-speed tranny with all the fixins that will swap directly into my car.

Considering my need, do I need a 5-speed tranny from a 5th generation? Will the shift linkage and other parts from a 4th generation bolt right in instead?</TD></TR></TABLE>

You need 4th gen linkage pieces becuase it's the length of them that matters. Other than that you can get any h series tranny, the parts on the tranny are all in the same place, but you must have 4th gen linkage and in-car parts.

So if you get a 5th gen that's cool it's just you'll have to covert it to OBDI...but that's it. JUst get a 4th gen clip and you'll be fine.

 

I am just trying to get this straight....

You are saying that the 4th gen linkage will fit my 5th gen?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BaSiC Evil &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I am just trying to get this straight....

You are saying that the 4th gen linkage will fit my 5th gen?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Oh **** I can't read you have a prelude sir...no you must use a 5th gen linkage. Everything from the shift **** up to the last piece of the linkage has to be 5th gen or it won't fit right and be the wrong length.

The tranny/engine can be from any prelude.

 

Do you know where I can obtain the linkage? I have been searching to no avail forever!

Any help that you can give would be appreciated. Also, have you seen this conversion done on a JDM (Right-Hand Drive) Prelude?