We(TwinsTurbo Motorsport) are thinking about making a Header heat shield. This idea came from Tony(soniq from Area 51). The heat shield will be a real deal heat shield which can withstand and block most of the heat from the header. By using the head shield, it will increase the effiency of the header(flow) and also reduce the engine bay temp. On top of that, this heat shield will also serve another function. Since the heat shield will pretty much cover up most of the visable part of the header, the cop will not be able to tell the header is aftermarket or not. i think this will help to reduce the trouble of being pull over and having the hood popped. FYI, we put many of them on turbecharge car and the turbo housing/ex. manifold almost can be touched by bare hand(~150-200F while the turbo housing and ex. manifold are 4-500F)

Would you guy buy it if it is around 180-200 bucks?

PS. feel free to tell us what you think.

 

sorry bro those twins are cool guys, watch them every week, but i wont buy that...

 

200 bucks for a freaken heat shield??? you gotta be kidding me. no way i'd spend that much money for such a useless part.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by civicdxtyper &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">200 bucks for a freaken heat shield??? you gotta be kidding me. no way i'd spend that much money for such a useless part.</TD></TR></TABLE>

considering i could make one with a vice and a hammer for 10 bucks...

but im sure they could fab up the peice, send it to japan, send it back to their shop, and sell it as a 200 dollar "JDM" heat sheild

 

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considering i could make one with a vice and a hammer for 10 bucks...

but im sure they could fab up the peice, send it to japan, send it back to their shop, and sell it as a 200 dollar "JDM" heat sheild </TD></TR></TABLE>

the cost and the material that you use will never reach the result that we can do.
if you think the heat shield is useless, then it is not for you.
consider the heat shield that we use is used by many pro race team(it costs more than 600 bucks for a race team, but since we have a good relation to the company, we can bring the price down), i think 200 is not too much.

 

this is the pic of a heat shield for supra.

 

looks good, what kinda material is that? but 200 dollars for a heat shield? i don't think theres any demand for that.

 

that doesn't look OEM and a big portion of your post was trying to sell us on the fact that a cop wouldn't notice it. that **** looks more illegal than a rusty header

 

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the cost and the material that you use will never reach the result that we can do.
if you think the heat shield is useless, then it is not for you.
consider the heat shield that we use is used by many pro race team(it costs more than 600 bucks for a race team, but since we have a good relation to the company, we can bring the price down), i think 200 is not too much.</TD></TR></TABLE>

race team or no race team, you're going to have a very hard time convincing anyone to drop 200 bucks on a heat shield. and yes, it doensn't look all that stock. a cop would have to be retarded to think that's a stock heat shield.

 

yea, if that is what its going to end up looking like the cop will write the ticket anyway due to it not looking stock, especialy with the carbon weave. besides its no stress off the officer when you win in court, thats overtime for them. so they will get there money for a bogus ticket either way...

plus it only takes one minute to look at the bottom part of the header to see if its stock or not.

your better off putting the heat wraps around the exhaust and not get a ticket than this mess.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by circuitcity abuser &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">that doesn't look OEM and a big portion of your post was trying to sell us on the fact that a cop wouldn't notice it. that **** looks more illegal than a rusty header </TD></TR></TABLE>

lmfao, **** had me rollin

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tominos &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">looks good, what kinda material is that? but 200 dollars for a heat shield? i don't think theres any demand for that.</TD></TR></TABLE>
that is a special material that can withstand 3000F. the same turbo heat heat will be found on Audi R8 in American Le Mans series and Cart series.

the finish product should be in darker color to reduce attention. However, the main point is that the cop can't prove you that you have an illegal aftermarket header(why would people want a JDM 4-1 header if they can get better performance from other header?) it is same reason on cam gear. the cop can't open up your valve cover to prove you have a cam gear, so do the heat shield.

 

looks good spoon..a bit pricey but it's a good product for possible road racers who do endurance races...

 

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However, the main point is that the cop can't prove you that you have an illegal aftermarket header .</TD></TR></TABLE>

well i can only assume you have never been to court on this subject,,,, when you get a ticket for the aftermarket header/setup,(or any other illegal part) its not the burden of the cop to prove his case, you as the owner of the car have to prove that you had an oem type exhaust on the car.. and nowadays atleast here in cali, cops have digital cameras with date stamp.. pretty hard to say that you had an oem exhaust??


its not like a criminal court preceding where you are innocent until proven guilty,, in traffic court you are guilty until you can prove to the judge that the problem was fixed or that you can prove the cop is wrong....

so in other words is not even a matter of the cop proving anything when your both in court...

 

needs to be average consumer friendly... bring down the price
-Bryan-

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by IM ALL BOB &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">looks good spoon..a bit pricey but it's a good product for possible road racers who do endurance races... </TD></TR></TABLE>

we actually have them made a heat shield for the oil pan to aviod heat from the header. i saw a difference in the oil temp. during the club battle.

PS. i think that oil pan heat shield is on the current issue of super street.


Modified by spoon_ek9 at 8:42 AM 7/18/2003

 

I would pick one up but only for the fact that i would like to reduce heat in my motor bay. I live in MN not emissions here . But the cost i think is alot i would pay about 100-150 for it....

 

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from the begining, this heat shield would be a performance product but Tony convinced me about the idea of the second function.

 

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from the begining, this heat shield would be a performance product but Tony convinced me about the idea of the second function.</TD></TR></TABLE>

yeah i know just giving my imput

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ROADRCR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is probably a stupid question, but I'm asking it anyways. Ok, say you have a after market header. You install the heat shield. Won't the heat shield trap the heat near or closer to the engine it self, causing the engine to heat up, or stay hot?</TD></TR></TABLE>

It looks like it wrapes all the way around the header heat should stay on the header

 

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we are thinking about making a open end at the end of the header and heat will be bring out by wind while the car is moving. on top of that, if heat is traped in the engine, it will make the radiator(also the radiator will be free from the heat of the header) to work harder and more effient. the owner of the heat shield company got a turbo truck that the whole engine is covered by the same material. the end result is the truck run cooler and the turbo response faster.

 

i post this pic just for the hell of it.

 

you love thats stuff dont you gonna cover your whole car with it?

 

i have a couple comments,

1.)heat seilds are worth someting, they do keep under hood temps downs whcich aids the engine to achieve more horse power. im not saying they make horse power. so dont get me wrong.

2.) the cop looking at that will know something is there and he will just cut you a ticket to see the smog ref he will not sit there and argue with you about the leagality of whats under it, plus if he wanted to he could just use a pocket mirror that extends and look under the car like they do already for straight pipes.cops just want to see a CARB number and thats it, final word will not work.

3.) the price, too much money. i know that the material is space age and blah blah blah. but the fact is that we do not need that much heat protection (3000 deg!)
at the most $75

if you could design something that looked oem, bolted to the head to cover aftermarket headers, performed well, and was cheaper

 

thank for the comments.
as for 2), this idea came from Tony(aka Soniq from Area 51), he told me that he is sweating while using the Jun header due to the fact that it doesnt have a carb #. so after he saw the header of the supra, he said he would like to have a heat shield like that on the car for the following reason: first, it helps performance. second, it would helps to get away if the end product is somewhat look more darker. his theory is that when the cop couldn't see a tube header and it looks somewhat a replacement heat shield like european car. it would have a greater chance to get away compare to the cop can see the tube type header directly. i also came with a question like you guys did, but he convince me with the example of cam gear.
as for 3), we, of course, know that the price would be the key, but consider people would spend $$$ on OME JDM 4-1 heat shield(which do nothing on performance wise) and close to 150-180 for a red valve cover, we think 200 for a real performence part is not too bad.

as for the last comment, the heat shield actually got hole for the bolt on the head(look closer). on top of that, safety wire is used to tight the heat shield to the header.

if you guys can see the difference in temp before and after in real, i am pretty sure you will think its not too expensive. again, if you think heat is not a problem for your car nor you care/need, this is not a product for you.