my cousin just get a 90 ef hatch... looking to put in a b18c5 swap into it... i know hasport has mounts for the cable b series motors but does it also wor with hydro?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fstblkcivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my cousin just get a 90 ef hatch... looking to put in a b18c5 swap into it... i know hasport has mounts for the cable b series motors but does it also wor with hydro?</TD></TR></TABLE>yeah, its the same mounts

 

This question has been asked many times before. If you want even search on HASports website for the answer. At this time his will have to sell the tranny and get a cable tranny. Bolt it up to the C5 and use any type or B-Series mounts. But later this year HASport is comming out with a Cable to Hyrdo convertion kit that you will be able to put the C5 engine and Hydro tranny in. If I where him I would just wait till that kit comes out and get that. Hydro trannies are way better then cable. Have better gearing, factory LSD and so much more.

 

get the YS1 92-93 GSR tranny for now its better or same as the USA type R and also the same a JDM type R tranny expect it has LSD but hey you can find a JDM YS1 LSD tranny if you try hard enough

so my 2cents go ahead with the swap work out the bugs then later on drop the Hydro tranny when hasport comes out with it..

 

also, you need to switch over to the newer style grey plug obd1-up. or you can piece together a obd0 b16a distributor, ecu, injectors.

all in all, having a b18c5 swap includes alot of stuff you cant use on a ef unless you do alot of converting.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Fobtions &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">also, you need to switch over to the newer style grey plug obd1-up. or you can piece together a obd0 b16a distributor, ecu, injectors.

all in all, having a b18c5 swap includes alot of stuff you cant use on a ef unless you do alot of converting. </TD></TR></TABLE>

You dont have to convert to OBD1, but thats going to get the most from the motor. You could just run OBD0 and be just fine.

 

thats what i just said

 

lol, sorry I only read the first part.

 

no problemo/

im just trying to say that sometimes it is easier to just buy a complete b16a cable swap, and then get a b18a/b/c orb20 block after that. so you dont have to find a cable tranny: which usually are in bad shape when they are sold alone, from experience.

 

I am for OBD1

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bryant &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

You dont have to convert to OBD1, but thats going to get the most from the motor. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I keep hearing that.
It seems that some people here have a bias towards OBD1
there is nothing magical about OBD1, and nothing that OBD0 can't do that OBDd1 does.
Making power is all about timing and fuel management.
My OBD0 B18C5 engine in my CRX makes 182 HP with a STOCK engine.
All I did was tune it with an air/fuel controller, I didn't even get to play wit the cam gears.
What am I mising here? how much better could it run with OBD1, when I see all the type R guys runing OBD1 convertions doing high 170's?

If you have OBD0 you have all you need to make power, just use it well.

 

Yeah I understand where your comming, from. But for the long run OBD1 would be better. More ECU options and better tunning. But If i had a C5 I would go OBD0. My cars already wired for it and it just would make things ten times simpler.

 

where is your DYNO sheet?

Let me see it..?

thats good u running OBD0 and making that much power but you will have to go OBD1 if you are in Cali unless you want to keep swapping motors its up to you do it the right way once and be done with it or keep doing the hard way

 

exactly, i tried the obd1 route and it didnt unleash a whole lot of power like some people think it does, i switched back to obd0 pr3 on a hi compression b18c. no need to wire in the 4 wire o2 the only reason to change to obd1 is if you already have the distributor and ecu i guess or to have the cool grey style plugs lol. and maybe the scarce availability of the obd0 b16a distributors that seem to go bad for some.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Spaceballs the lunch box &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I keep hearing that.
It seems that some people here have a bias towards OBD1
there is nothing magical about OBD1, and nothing that OBD0 can't do that OBDd1 does.
Making power is all about timing and fuel management.
My OBD0 B18C5 engine in my CRX makes 182 HP with a STOCK engine.
All I did was tune it with an air/fuel controller, I didn't even get to play wit the cam gears.
What am I mising here? how much better could it run with OBD1, when I see all the type R guys runing OBD1 convertions doing high 170's?

If you have OBD0 you have all you need to make power, just use it well.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

when I did my b18C5 swap you didn't even had a driver lisence.
I have long ago lost those pieces of paper.
besides I don't feel I need to prove anything to you.

You can pass cali emmisions with OBD0
There are hundreds of thousands of cars with OBD0 on the road in cali.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bossman032 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">where is your DYNO sheet?

Let me see it..?

thats good u running OBD0 and making that much power but you will have to go OBD1 if you are in Cali unless you want to keep swapping motors its up to you do it the right way once and be done with it or keep doing the hard way </TD></TR></TABLE>

im with spaceballs on this, If you have a b18c5 it is a obd2 motor and if you want it fully carb legal in CA. you are going to have to have the obd2 diagnostics connector and misc. sensors i.e: gas tank , special obd2 cats and o2 's blah blah blah. im sure on a obd0 pr3 u can still pass the ref inspection, as long as it isnt chipped.

 

hmm I don't like to fight with members

you won't pass for **** with Type R running PR3 OBD0 when trying to go LEGIT. I don't know where yo got that but preach ON
if you say something cant back it up I give you

and on the driver license part you are correct you are like 50 years older then me of course you got your license before me

ohh I have a H22 in my EF running 12s.

 

maybe less and maybe members wont fight.
congrats on the 12. though

 

Reasons not to run a 1992+ motor with a pre-1992 ECU:

1. 1992+ ECUs have better tuning options.

2. If the motor is a DOHC VTEC, you don't have that stupid, retarded twin oxygen sensor setup to deal with.

3. 1992+ ECUs run smoother, idle smoother, and give better fuel economy. This last point is VERY important as we see gas prices rise once again.

4. A pre-1992 ECU on a later motor won't have the proper fuel maps in stock form.

5. If the motor is a 1994+ GSR, a pre-1992 ECU has no IAB control.

6. A pre-1992 distributer needs to be purchased when running a 1992+ motor with a pre-1992 ECU. And after spending the cash and going through the trouble of finding one, the distributer may or may not fit properly. Also, pre-1992 distributers are harder to find and have a higher failure rate.

7. In California, it is not emissions legal to run a pre-1992 ECU with a 1992+ motor.

As for the B18C5, a good route to go as far as the ECU is a 1996-1999 JDM ITR ECU. This ECU uses OBDII style plugs. But it is basically an OBDI ECU (no extra sensors, storage of codes, etc.). It is no more difficult to wire up than a 1992-1995 ECU.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Spaceballs the lunch box &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You can pass cali emmisions with OBD0
There are hundreds of thousands of cars with OBD0 on the road in cali.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Sure you can. As long as (1) the car came stock with a pre-1992 ECU, or (2) the swapped motor is pre-1992. Also, refs were MUCH more lax about this in the past. But nowadays, they are quite strict when it comes to running the right ECU with the motor. Don't count on being able to ref a later motor with an earlier style ECU these days.