ive seen on ebay, these ecu chips that claim to be copies of mugen or spoon ecu chips. they usually sell for 15 to 20 dollars and are available for the b18b and b18c, etc..... im wondering if they actually work well, and if anyone has used one of these in their gsr (b18c)....do they lower the vtec crossover, and actually make power or are they not worth it...... also, has anyone w/ an LS motor or LS teg. used one of these.... what do ya think, worth it or waste, because i am not going crazy, electronic-wise, so an effective ecu chip that betters the fuel map and the vtec crossover.. etc and makes some noticable power..........what' you guys think????

 

The last thing you wanna buy for you car thats a knock off is your computer. If it isn't tuned right, the ignition timing, fuel maps, redline, v-tec crossover or any other componets will function poorly and so will your car, it is very possible for it to cause damage. You will most likely get bad gas mileage, and poor performance in general. Its a bad idea.
gmoore

 

thanks man, i just wondered if they really ran the same and were EXACT copies of mugen and spoon ecu chips, thats why i became interested......anyone else have em, or anything?

 

Well i've got one of those ebay "Skunk2" chips in my LS. I also converted my ECU to OBD1 at the time. I definately noticed an increase in performance, i'm not sure if it was the chip, OBD1 ECU, or a combination of both. But i'm please with it. When i'm reving it out, as the RPMs start to climb above 4K you can feel it pulling harder and harder as the RPMs keep increasing, and it pulls a lot better going up hills too.

 

nice, thanks for feedback, anyone with just the chip in a gsr?????/

 

Stay away. This isn't like a strut bar that really won't damage anything.

You'd feel stupid if a $20 chip destroyed a $3000 engine.

 

i feel that......just curious, im not getting one anyways,........thanks fellaz...

 

Jus tthought I'd add for the people who send their ecus off to be chipped by skunk2, spoon, etc they are laughing at you for paying their $300 to do what costs them less than a dollar in eproms and flash chips and resistors (sometimes capacitors) and they use the same chip you buy on ebay...wierd, I even know a person who used to work for hondata, everybody so strung on this damn hondata is pathetic, stock fuel maps and higher revlimit (for the most part), hell I can order that and retain my gas mileage. does this help?

 

i know what your saying, and can agree with you to a certain extent. But they know how to tune it. Its like buying an armani leather jacket. Your buying the name.

 

just get a vtec controller

 

You don't have any way to verify what it supposed to be. It could be a chip taht doesn't do anything, a chip that runs lean and blows your motor to hell, or it could be an actual copy. Not worth the risk IMO.

 

jdmhondaparts.com..........go the the ecu section. email katman and he'll answer any/all of your questions.

 

well.......i havent sold those chips on ebay...but i have sold my chipped p28's. I do offer most of the programs on ebay; skunk2, jun, rpt, visions, feels, mugen, my custom all motor program. I have many references from people here on h-t that i've sold chips and ecu's too. I test my products on my 94 GSR prior to shipping so i know i'm not selling someone a POS item that doesnt work correctly. Basically these chips has advanced a/f curves, causing your car to run rich, thus depending on your set up, your car will have a more aggressive powerband, especially in vtec. Check out my dyno sheet comparing my custom n/a program to my stock ecu.....

A skunk2 manifold or jg manifold definately makes the chipped p28 worth wild! If you have a pretty much stock motor, a chipped p28 will be a waste of money. People w/ all motor set ups, such as cams, all the bolt ons, p n p head, higher compression, etc...those people notice gains w/ a chipped p28 ecu. If you have any quesitons, feel free to PM. Also, click on the link in my signature to view my references. Lots of people saying good stuff about my ecu's, and programs
thanks
Jay

 

quick ebay research I did awhile back

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Complaint : TOTAL ripoff!! DONT buy from him!!! I WILL take this up with Ebay; AVOID!!!!!
Neutral : Sorry, but , ive changed my mind about the "chip" ebay memb said it was a dud
Neutral : I bid on a performance chip, I received a timing advance. Not what I expected.
Complaint : Fake product, liar, cheat, fraud, thief, I hope you burn in hell.
Complaint : CHIP DID NOTHING FOR MY CAR! NO RAISED REDLINE NO RESPONSE TO EMAILS. EMAIL ME!
Complaint : these chips suck profesionally installed and useless, max rpm 3k
Complaint : ecu chip does not work, missing resistor and capacitors, didnt send instructions
Complaint : FRAUDULENT SELLER!!! SENT A FAULTY CHIP!!! NO RESPONSE AT ALL!!!
Complaint : PART IS A RIPOFF This guy is crap. Payback's a bizatch. SJFinest Club
Complaint : CHEAP KIT, BURNED UP MY WIRES!!! DO NOT BUY!!!!
Complaint : DON'T SEND HIM ANY MONEY HE IS A RIP OFF I SENT HIM 157. HE SENT ME A EMPTY BOX

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I don't sell chips on ebay, but I have to say, if you research which chips the genuine company makes (IE, skunk2 and mugen make NO LS programs that I can think about, sorry dudes that buy those chips), you can find the actual chips there. I can download just about any "real" genuine chip that I want, and I know at least I have the real things. I don't usually sell them, it's just a hobby, but I just wanted to put my 2 cents in.

 

wow, i guess i will def. stay away, but anyone making their own true copies of spoon, or mugen chips for the gsr that i can trust, or is it just plain not worth it?

 

so then what do you guys think of hyperduck tuning from Canada then? my friend has a hand full of his chips and they work very fine! you can really tell the difference between them while driving as well.

 

I don't understand what a chip is good for. I think the only thing they can change is timing and fuel curve. Other than that, I don't see how they could be beneficial.

I'm not at all impressed by that dyno above; it's inaccurate. No offense. The fuel settings were totally different from one antother. With that just alone, I could imagine similiar gains. In addtion, peak power only raised less that 7WHP. I just can't see how one of these things can be made in a "one size fits all" approach.

 

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They can't effectively.

Even a car made the same year, with the exact same modifications, needs to be tuned differently to make the proper gains.

That dyno above was no doubt a custom program for that SPECIFIC car, not a one-size p28 that he bought off ebay.

Buying these pre-tuned chips is a waste of money, as the tuner has no idea what your car needs. Chances are they just advance the timming, give it a little more fuel, and figure the butt dyno will do all the rest.

Do it right, and get quality fuel management and have it tuned on a dyno.

 

As far as the comment about proffesionally installed unless you install these everyday and for a business it's not professional, I chip ecus and even if you follow directions you may not have to add all the parts, take some out, it's all about practice, I've succesfully chipped over 20 ecus for friends w/ out problems and buy my chips from ECM engineering due to the fact that I don't charge enough to warrant the $500 chip burner yet...but good luck w/ your choice, and BTW I've bought MANY chips, only had 1 that staticed due to my own mistake.

 

They are all the same i gota buddy who copys chips. As long as the program is the same then u are all good. check him out its http://www.infinkcdesigns.com he has every and any chip u could possibly think of

 

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I'm not at all impressed by that dyno above; it's inaccurate. No offense. The fuel settings were totally different from one antother. With that just alone, I could imagine similiar gains. In addtion, peak power only raised less that 7WHP. I just can't see how one of these things can be made in a "one size fits all" approach.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Basically, my dyno run was in comparison w/ my stock ecu and my custom all motor chipped p28 ecu. As you can see, my custom n/a program was dumping a lot of fuel when the vtec x over, this is because the program was made for more agressive cams. Basically the more mods you do internally, the more the chipped p28 or a chipped ecu will be beneficial. If you want, i'm legit. check out http://www.redline-performance.net Everybody's set up is different and everybody will see different gains, even possibly lose power if theyre completely stock. If you check my feedback on ebay: jaysu101 I havent had one negative feedback for Chipped p28's. Not one negative remark about over the 50 ecu's i've done here on h-t, as well as other websites. Different chips wil run better with different set ups. Ask blown90hatch about how i do business...he makes the obd2-1 harnesses, i do the ecu's. simple as that...and we've had many customers as you can see in the group buy forum. Anyways, if you got any questions, just ask. I'll be happy to help in any way possible
thanks
Jason

 

Kenji is supposed to make some good chips too!

 

$500 chip burner? You much for the crack smoking? I paid under $50 for mine and that was new. You can find them anywhere from $50 to $100 to $200 to $5000, but it's not like they're all $500. In fact, let me figure out how much I have in my ECU tuning gear.
(E)EPROM burner $50
Software $Free, just look for it
Doccumentation $Free, just look for it
ECU to Laptop Interface $20 for MAX233 Serial to TTL converter
Used Laptop for datalogging $250

Wow that's under $500, and that leaves me with almost enough money for a homebrew wideband o2 sensor for even more accurate datalogging with factory ecus.

 

Oh one more thing, for all of you doubting whether you can actually receieve a measured benefit with a chip.....you usually won't find a big benefit with a generic chip, but if you have upgraded valvetrain and cams that make power above your rev limiter, you'll obviously be in a much better way. Most people selling you chips are usually just using any of the number of spoon, skunk2 (which is really JUST A MUGEN CHIP AND THEY'RE THIEVES), mugen, etc that you can find online if you're not lazy and make th effort to look.