NXSpoon

In a few months I will be buying my friend's DX w/188,000+ miles on it. I will be giving this car to my girlfriend to use as daily transportation. Of course, modifications will be occuring on a frequent basis. I have the oppurtunity to purchase an F22B1 95 Accord motor. The way I figure, this motor will not overpower her driving skills, and will be fairly reliable which is what she requires. I need to know if anyone has done this before, how hard is it to do, etc. I don't want to hear to just drop in a B16, B18, or H22 or H23. She doesn't need a screamer motor, the torquey 2.2 will fit the bill just fine.
Thanks for all the info and insight.

New Question Will a 95 Prelude 2.3 non VTEC engine harness work for this motor; 95 SOHC Accord 4 cyl.??The Accord motor I am getting doesn't come with one. Found one on eBay, though.


Modified by NXSpoon at 1:20 PM 4/28/2003

KTeller8

will the h22 is a direct replacement and swap for the accord and f22

so you would do it the same as the h22.. since both motors are interchangeable

NXSpoon

So, I would need a kit for the swap??I guess then that the tranny would have to be a cable tranny?? And what kind of tranny would be best??

Also, will I be able to retain A/C with this swap??


Modified by NXSpoon at 5:03 AM 4/27/2003

VTECVillain

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NXSpoon &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So, I would need a kit for the swap??</TD></TR></TABLE>

I would recommend looking into the H22A swap so you can see all of the modifications that are necessary before you decide to jump into this project. In my opinion it isn't worth all the extra $$ you are spending unless you are going with the H22A. You will need to purchase the H22A motor mount kit for the 92-95 Civic chassis.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I guess then that the tranny would have to be a cable tranny?? And what kind of tranny would be best??</TD></TR></TABLE>

The tranny is a hydro tranny but has shifter cables instead of shift linkage bars. You will need the entire shifter system from the Civic/Prelude as well.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Also, will I be able to retain A/C with this swap??</TD></TR></TABLE>

No A/C, no P/S either if you have that.

NXSpoon

Thanks for the replies guys. While I agree that it would probably be more "cost efficient" for an H22, I have found a F22B1 for ~$500, and a JDM F20 tranny for around $350. Granted, a mount kit will run me about $600 and lets say another $500 or so for all the miscellaneous stuff I'll need. Plus the cost of the car is $2500.
So that comes to $4400 for everything (I hope), about the price of a full H22 swap from IAS. And while those guys are great, ~$4000 for a swap is a little much for me right now. As far as the A/C goes, doesn't HASport or another company have a kit that does allow mounting of the A/C compressor?? There has to be a way to get A/C in there, please tell me it is possible !! Power steering???? I just swapped in a manual rack in my 99 Civic Si, and keep kicking myself for not doing it sooner !!! I love it.

Plus this car is being given to my girlfriend as a daily driver. She understands the "obsession" I have, but probably not to the same degree as a lot of you guys and girls. So, 145 hp is enough to start with for now anyways. Plus I kinda like doing things a little different from everyone else.

Thanks and keep the ideas coming.

VTECVillain

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NXSpoon &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thanks for the replies guys. While I agree that it would probably be more "cost efficient" for an H22, I have found a F22B1 for ~$500, and a JDM F20 tranny for around $350. Granted, a mount kit will run me about $600 and lets say another $500 or so for all the miscellaneous stuff I'll need.</TD></TR></TABLE>

For the same price you could get a complete B18B1 swap which would bolt in a give you about the same performance. There would be no need to remove the tranny mount bracket, cut holes in the floor, etc. and not to mention there is a lot better aftermarket support for the LS motor. If IAS is selling H22 swaps for $4000 that is really high, but HMO has the swap for $2199 just so you know.

Jonathan_ED3

HCP sells a mount kit for H22/H23 swaps.

I dunno if it'd work on the F series. I heard they use different compressors so the mount might not work.

Anyway, I have the HCP a/c mount on my h22/EH, and it works swell

Again, I don't know about the F series, but with an H22 in a Civic, you can in fact keep A/C and Power Steering.

KTeller8

h and f motors are the same as far as fitment!
when i did the h into my accord, it was simple bolt in . besides one motormount

everything H seris fits F

the flywheel, trannys and stuff are all interchangable. Most F seris stuff is labled
F/H half the time

H22's can be ordered for 2100-2500 depending on what you get and shipping!
dont ever pay more.

Jonathan_ED3

are the a/c compressors mounted the same?

I read somewhere that they're not, and if that's the case, I don't think you could retain a/c with an F series swap using the HCP bracket.

But if they are...w00t w00t.

NXSpoon

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KTeller8 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">h and f motors are the same as far as fitment!
when i did the h into my accord, it was simple bolt in . besides one motormount

everything H seris fits F

the flywheel, trannys and stuff are all interchangable. Most F seris stuff is labled
F/H half the time

H22's can be ordered for 2100-2500 depending on what you get and shipping!
dont ever pay more. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Thanks for the reassurance !!! I was starting to get a little concerned for a while.
So, even though this is a SOHC motor, I will still be able to utilize the mounting kits for the H-series??

As far as A/C, I guess I'll have to figure out a way to get it in there somehow!!

Many Thanks to all that provided some info !!!

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the ac compressors mount the same for f and h series. However the compressors, lines, and brackets are different between f and h. They mount in the same place though.

Yes, use the h mount kit, it fits the f.

IMO, while this swap is unique and would supply sufficient torque for that mass of car, it would seem more feasible to go with a b18b. Alot cheaper and less headache. BUT i have thought about this swap myself and would be interested to see the finished product.

Jonathan_ED3

Well if they mount in the same place, then he *should* be able to use the HCP a/c bracket, yes?

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i have not heard of this bracket until reading some posts today. How does it fit? I would say that if it works on the h it should work on the f.

Jonathan_ED3

It's a PITA to get into place with the engine already in the car, especially to mount the compressor to the new bracket, but once you get it in place it works great.

BTW, the Civic compressor WILL mount onto the stock H22 block using the stock mount, but it puts the compressor pulley about 1/2" out of line with the H22 crank pulley.

The HCP bracket moves the compressor over into perfect position with the H22 CP so you can get a belt around both of them.

NXSpoon

Bda91acc and hot_eg: Right now the car has no A/C. While it is a DX, it came from Honda of Canada. So, I still have to get all the A/C stuff.

For the HCP mounts, doesn't someone on this board sell them?? Newman?? If not, where can I get the H,F series kit??

What about Place Racing and HASport mount kits??

I'll be sure to take LOTS of pictures when this project starts in July. I should have a few w/in a couple of weeks though of what I will have to work with; namely car, motor and tranny.

Also, with everyone saying that the kits will work for both the H and the F series, this has left me with a ? Since the F22B1 is a SOHC and the H series is a DOHC, the block portion must be very similar to each other, w/ only the head being a major difference. Is this right??

Jonathan_ED3

Hasport mounts are pricey.

500+

I got mine from Steve at HMO for $500.

HCP mounts are significantly less expensive.

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NXSpoon &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


Also, with everyone saying that the kits will work for both the H and the F series, this has left me with a ? Since the F22B1 is a SOHC and the H series is a DOHC, the block portion must be very similar to each other, w/ only the head being a major difference. Is this right??</TD></TR></TABLE>

Right. Just keep remembering that they are a DIRECT replacement for eachother. The mounts are the same. HAS mentions that their H mount kit will fit an f22 or f23 in their ad. It will work.

NXSpoon

New ? at top.

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yes, but you will still have to wire for those 3 wires. It should work fine though. May want to check with the preluders and see who has done an SI to VTEC swap and see what wires they had to modify.

NXSpoon

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bda91acc &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yes, but you will still have to wire for those 3 wires. It should work fine though. May want to check with the preluders and see who has done an SI to VTEC swap and see what wires they had to modify. </TD></TR></TABLE>

What 3 wires?? VTEC and what else??

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vtec pressure switch and solenoid, and knock sensor.