i searched but couldn't find any info. i have lately been getting into Xcrossing and i have a 99 ex with ls/vtec. i just heard about the poor mans type r a gsr block and b16 head. and b16 piston

1) is it more reliable for road racing
2) does it make similar power as type r
3)if i have a bare block can i use basically any b series parts to rebuild

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JSPECEX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i searched but couldn't find any info. i have lately been getting into Xcrossing and i have a 99 ex with ls/vtec. i just heard about the poor mans type r a gsr block and b16 head. and b16 piston

1) is it more reliable for road racing
2) does it make similar power as type r
3)if i have a bare block can i use basically any b series parts to rebuild</TD></TR></TABLE>

1) It all depends on the quality of your work.
2) Not without similar CR, cams, valvetrain etc.
3) Pretty much.

 

do you know anywhere i can find info or other people on ht with this setup

 

PM me if you want, I could help you out.

 

i basicly got that. ls block with a gsr crank and CTR pistons, b16 head milled .30. it pretty high compression, but its fun.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by allmtr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i basicly got that. ls block with a gsr crank and CTR pistons, b16 head milled .30. it pretty high compression, but its fun.</TD></TR></TABLE>

soundz "fun" indeed. what headgasket did you use?

 

so can i use my ls block and just change the crank or do i need the gsr block for reliability

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JSPECEX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so can i use my ls block and just change the crank or do i need the gsr block for reliability</TD></TR></TABLE>

There is no need to replace the LS crank for the GSR crank in the LS block. Unless you can get a deal on those parts don't bother it will just end up being harder and more costly. Getting a GSR shortblock will be better in the long run if you really want the GSR crank. If you have the LS block you will not have oil injectors, which cool the OE pistons, or a block girdle for stable high RPM operation.

 

do you know wnywhere i can find a gsr short block

 

You could check here on the classifieds section.

 

there is a slight more to it than that.

Poor mans R
Which i hope to do one day

1.GSr block
2. B16 head
3. High compression pistons
4. GSR head studs (b16 ones are too short)
5. GSR timing belt, water pump etc.
6. Put that bitch on the road, and redline the **** out.

Ofcouse, you won't be quick just by doing the above.
You have to do **** to your stock b16 head, ie: cams, cam gears, valves, well you get the point.

 

thnaks man do you know if it would be as reliable as a type r

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JSPECEX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thnaks man do you know if it would be as reliable as a type r</TD></TR></TABLE>

If the work is good quality, then yes, there's no reason it wouldn't

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rodrez &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

If the work is good quality, then yes, there's no reason it wouldn't</TD></TR></TABLE>


i understand that but lets say i built a ls/vtec and then built a poor mans type r. i put equal work into both which one is more relaible. i always here people talking **** that the crvtec and lsvtec blow up and have problems. so i was wondering if it is the same for the poor amns type r. or since it is already a vtec block will it last longer or take more of a beating on the auotX

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JSPECEX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


i understand that but lets say i built a ls/vtec and then built a poor mans type r. i put equal work into both which one is more relaible. i always here people talking **** that the crvtec and lsvtec blow up and have problems. so i was wondering if it is the same for the poor amns type r. or since it is already a vtec block will it last longer or take more of a beating on the auotX</TD></TR></TABLE>

poor man's R is more reliable where you need to worry about less stuff.

 

You still need an ITR transmission to be like an ITR, plus ITR's also have a better intake manifold than a GSR.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GetawayinMoscow &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You still need an ITR transmission to be like an ITR, plus ITR's also have a better intake manifold than a GSR.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I you use the b16 head you don't need to worry about it.
B16 head is the same casting as itr. Only ITR has mild P&P and better internals

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GetawayinMoscow &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You still need an ITR transmission to be like an ITR, plus ITR's also have a better intake manifold than a GSR.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i have a b16 hydro trans so the first 3 gears are the same so it is prettyclose just going to wait until i mess this one up then i will swap trans. as for a manifold i will end upgetting a skunk 2 anyway. thanks guys you have answered pretty much allmy ?

 

But you don't have an LSD still....

 

i understand that i was just saying it is similar so i don't feel like dishing out 1000 when i have very similar trans just no lsd which i can make up for with some good driving

 

yea that sounds good you should do it.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JSPECEX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i understand that i was just saying it is similar so i don't feel like dishing out 1000 when i have very similar trans just no lsd which i can make up for with some good driving</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm not trying to bash your choice, I think its a great idea but it's still not quite up to ITR specs

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GetawayinMoscow &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">But you don't have an LSD still....</TD></TR></TABLE>

or the desireable final drive. if you ask me, half of the itr's appeal is the tranny.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JSPECEX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i understand that i was just saying it is similar so i don't feel like dishing out 1000 when i have very similar trans just no lsd which i can make up for with some good driving</TD></TR></TABLE>

you can't make up for no LSD with good driving.....there is a huge difference with take offs and cornering with an LSD equipped tranny. Instead of getting an ITR tranny, it would be just as good to throw in a LSD from a ITR or CTR tranny

 

wait whats wrong with the ls/vtec you have? whats your setup with that..id expect to be putting down better numbers than a poormans type r with an ls/vtec. i dont know though thats why im asking im not flaming.