Tonight I finished up all my stuff and tried to start the car. It cranks and cranks but does not turn over. It has new plugs and I checked and it seems to be getting good spark. I can hear the fuel pump turn on when I turn the key and the PR3 ECU flashes once like it should.

How do I check if I'm getting fuel?

Would it matter that my cars been sitting since December with the same fuel?

Could it not start because my charcoal canister is bypassed?


We Know
-All Ground Are Good
-Fuel is passing through fuel filter
-Getting Good Spark




Modified by beta13 at 12:54 AM 4/14/2003

 

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How do I check if I'm getting fuel? There is a screw in the top of the filter.

Would it matter that my cars been sitting since December with the same fuel? Probably not.

Could it not start because my charcoal canister is bypassed? No.
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Are you getting spark?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by beta13 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Tonight I finished up all my stuff and tried to start the car. It cranks and cranks but does not turn over. It has new plugs and I checked and it seems to be getting good spark. I can hear the fuel pump turn on when I turn the key and the PR3 ECU flashes once like it should.

How do I check if I'm getting fuel?

Would it matter that my cars been sitting since December with the same fuel?

Could it not start because my charcoal canister is bypassed?
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Are you talking about the service screw? Do you just loosen it up and watch for fuel or something?

 

Check your compression, It might be real weak from sitting so long and drying the rings up. I had a motor like this once and had to squirt some oil in the plug holes to get some compression going.

 

The motor is a fresh swap from PasswordJDM.

 

Yank one of the plugs, and have someone turn the engine over. If you see a mist shooting out the plug hole then obviosly you have fuel. Let us know what happens.

 

you should check the distributor and ignition timing, my motor did the same thing, and it was the distributor

 

sounds like the dist. to me too

 

Take of the fuel line going to the fuel rail, if fuel leaks out then you go fuel going to your motor. The canister don't matter, how much fuel was in your car before you did the swap ? If your getting sparks from the plug wires then your dizzy is fine.

 

I'm guessing its fuel related because the spark it had was very strong, and while the plug was out I don't remember smelling fuel. Also, after cranking it all that time the garage didn't really smell like fuel. You'd think since it was getting good spark you'd be able to hear it trying to start but all it did was crank.

 

Hmm now that I'm looking at the fuel stuff in the helms, my fuel filter OUT (to fuel rail) had an extra washer on the bolt, this would cause the hole to be higher maybe and not deliver fuel? It has one copper washer on bottom, then the line, then a copper washer followed by a steel washer. I thought this was weird but it was like that when I picked it up. Could this cause it?

 

No, the only thing that will cause is a fuel leak.

 

I unscrewed the service bolt and fuel dribbled out of it so there is fuel going through the fuel filter. I took off the additional washer. I'm sure that the fuel filter to fuel rail line is clear because there was a JDM fuel filter attached to it when I got it and when I pulled it off the fuel rail line drained a bunch of gas out. I guess I have fuel to the rail, what's next?

 

You injectors could be bad, but I highly doubt it, you have any codes ? How is the timing ? Are all your grounds ok ?

 

No codes, can you check the ignition timing without the car running? If you're just talking about crank timing, it's dead on, I put on a new timing belt before the swap.

Note: I didn't say earlier but I do have all my ground hooked up and they are huge really nice 4 gauge grounds all going to bare metal.

EDIT: There was a half tank of 93 octane before I did the swap, the engine was taken out in early January.

 

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I would try that next.

 

Compression Test Results
Cylinder 1 = 190
Cylinder 1 = 200
Cylinder 1 = 157
Cylinder 1 = 160

What does this mean, does Password JDM owe me another short block? They advertise "Standard Startup Warrranty Applies to All Engines!" and this is definitly not starting up

 

Well your compression is low in a couple of cylinders, how many times have you tryed cranking it over ? And I know your said your grounds are ok, but I just have to ask, you did ground your thermostat right ?

 

Cranking it over all put together I've tried a lot, if you're asking when I did the test I let it crank 5 times, I tested all cylinders twice and got similar numbers.

I just checked my injector pulse and that seems to also be fine.

The thermostat is ground on the engine harness correct? If so then yes it is grounded.

EDIT: Could it possibly be my fuel that's been able to vent for four months? Could it be my vacuum lines since I did my own setup to bypass the charcoal canister?


Modified by beta13 at 2:18 PM 4/14/2003

 

I ment how many times have you tryed cranking it over, anyways no bypassing that charcoal canister won't cause it not to start. How much fuel is in your tank ? If you did not have that much when you did the swap in December, I would go buy some and put it in. I would check over all your wiring just to be sure everything is ok.

 

I've tried cranking it over a lot. The tank had a little less than half a tank. I just took off the fuel filter and there was fuel in the fuel rail line so:

The fuel rail is defintly getting fuel.
Hooked up a injector pulse light and they show pulses.
Battery is at 12.2v
All compression numbers are over 150.
All grounds are good.

The plugs dont seem wet when I take them out, should they?

There really wasn't any wiring to do besides VTEC, it was SI to VTEC so it was just 4 wires.

EDIT: Does it matter at all that the front end is on jackstands? The car is tilted?


Modified by beta13 at 3:14 PM 4/14/2003

 

No that should not matter.

 

You should have 25 - 40+psi of fuel pressure. If the pressure is too low, the injectors won't work.

When you took off the service bolt on the fuel filter (new filter, right?), the fuel should have sprayed a little, not just dribble.

The main relay should come on at key turn and power up the pump for a few seconds to pressure the fuel.

 

if your car is on jackstands in the front maybe all the gas is sittin at the back of the tank..and its not getting to the fuel pickup line?