Q. Is a 5 lug swap possible on an nth gen Accord?

A. YES.

Q. What parts do I need?

A. For a 5th gen Accord, you can do one of several things. The ENTIRE FRONT suspension from a 5th Prelude WILL swap completely into them. The rear only requires the 5th gen Prelude bearing assembly and rotor. If your car had rear disc brakes, you can use the Accord or Prelude rear caliper. You will be swapping over the front brakes as well. If your car had rear drum brakes, you will need everything from the knuckle out from a 4th or 5th gen Accord that had rear disc brakes to accomplish this. You will also need the rear brake softlines, since the drum brakes use hardlines.

For a 6th gen Accord, I believe you can just swap over the 6th gen AV6 front knuckles, bearings, hubs, calipers, rotors and rear bearing assembly and rotors. Otherwise, the 5th gen Prelude parts mentioned above will also work.

The LEAST EXPENSIVE and MOST RELIABLE solution is written up here. You will also get a brake upgrade with the 5-lug swap. I've been running this setup for several months now with no problems at all.


Modified by Martaigne at 11:58 AM 7/24/2003

 

I believehttp://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com lists the same part number for the front knuckles of 6th gen AV6's and I4's... if that is true, you would not need the knuckles.


are you sure the 6th gen entire rear would work? they dont use a trailing arm and use umm rods or something dont they?


btw, sticky this?

and lastly, are u sure the entire prelude front would fit? after_burner tried the entire front suspension a while ago and had problems... he didnt try just the knuckles on the accord control arms though.


[Modified by TypeSH, 9:44 AM 3/8/2003]

 

when swapping the lude front on for a 4th gen, are you talking crossmember and all? Will this change my wheel base and can I run my stock SOHC drive axles?? As for the rear, cant I just get the entire trailing arm asembly off the V6? what year V6s are we talking? Im really testing honda techs knowledge, guys and gals, come through for me..

 

we are talking about swapping the lude front suspension, the arms, knuckles, dont think it goes as far as the crossmember or what not

V6's based on 4th/5th gen platforms were 95-97, and they also used 4x114.3, if not exactly the same as the i4 versions (not sure 100% but they are similar), so why bother?
V6's from 98+ is what to consider, but the suspensions look diff. Soemthing to try if you have $$ and time.


[Modified by TypeSH, 10:03 AM 3/8/2003]

 

Correct, the knuckles are the same on 6GAV6 and 6GI4. However, doing a junkyard swap will be easier by just tossing on the already-pressed 6GAV6 knuckles.

I am NOT certain it would work. They use a rear multilink suspension. I'm sure it will fit but it will be a lot of work and only with some redrilling of holes. A possible solution to this is having the 6GAV6 rear spindle pressed into your 4/5G rear knuckle.

Yah right.

Yep. Ben had the entire 5GP front suspension on his 94 LX. I rode in it, it all worked.

 

Nope. Tie rod ends, knuckles, lower control arms, radius arms, damper fork, etc.

I know the 4G is a few inches narrower than 5G+ Accords. I believe it will work anyway, but you may have to use axles from a higher generation Accord or Prelude. The method I am currently working on utilizing only the knuckle will solve this problem easily.

The 6GAV6 doesn't have a rear trailing arm, but a multilink suspension. I recommend using the trailing arm off of an I4 Accord with discs (if you don't already have them) then getting the 5GP rear bearing asembly and rotor. We KNOW this works, and it's cost-effective. Don't give yourself a migraine trying to swap over the whole rear suspension.

 

Someone just asked about the Odyssey parts in another thread. Odyssey parts do not work, I've tried them. This is a picture of the overlarge Odyssey rear hub on my Accord's spindle.




Also, here's a comparison of 6GAV6 rear rotor and hub as compare to the 5GAI4. Note how the wheel bearing inside is thicker on the 6GAV6 rotor? This prevents you from threading the spindle nut onto the spindle during installation.

 

Bump for later.

 

Now for my question what if you don't want to upgrade to a 5lug set-up, What I want to do is just upgrade the entire knuckle to have larger rotors than the stock accord 4cyl rotors but be able to install and remove them by using lock screws (such as the civic and integras)and not having them bolted on to the hub. Now I was wondering could we use the 1st gen oddessey or maybe even the older TL knuckles to achieve this?

Thanks
Accordhybrid

 

ok, what's the big freaking deal? i see more rims for 4 lug fwd than i do 5 lug.....i'd rather spend my money on suspension upgrades or something else.

 

Kill 2 birds with 1 stone.

Some 4th and 5th gen people want the rotor over hub setup for ease of changing rotors. Swapping to 5 lugs while doing this is relatively easy since new hubs and breaings will be obtained anyways.

For my 6th gen, I found a good deal on a used brake setup and upgraded, conveinantly they were 5 lug.


[Modified by OEMaccord, 2:31 AM 3/19/2003]

 

So then while i was helping my friend change his rotors on his 96 TL and those are screwed on rotors and its a 5lug does any one know if this will work?

accordhybrid

 

4x114.3 is not as common as say 4x100 for all the civic/integra people, wheres 5x114.3 is as common as 4x100, and has options for running a variety of OEM wheels, S2k, prelude, CL/TL-S, etc.

as far as the 96TL, that is an interesting question...

2.5l TL engine:



3.2 TL Engine:



the knuckles show diff part numbers though, and physically look different.



vs



i wonder if it will work? swapping the entire knuckle over? but w/ the 3.2l version, the calipers will mount in a different location (look at knuckle).

 

You see that the 2.5 is the same rotor as the 94-97 accord and i didn't realize until you posted the pics that the 3.2 caliper mounts in a different place but it seems that could be fixed by just rerouting the brake lines with either custom ones or with the stock ones and some zip ties.

Accordhybrid

 

You know, if swapping the crossmember was necessary, I don't think anyone would want to do it. However, it won't fit at all. The 5G Lude is wider than the 5G Accord, and it would be "interesting" to try and place the 5G Lude crossmember on.

 

another thing im wondering though, it looks as if the 1st gen 3.0 CL's had a rotor over hub design on what appears to be (by part numbers) the same knuckle as the 2.2... but they look like 4-lugs in the diagram, but im completely certain yet. If the 2.2 CL uses same knuckle as 5th gen accord, this could be a simple rotor over hub swap.

Then the question is... how similar are 1st gen CL and TL knuckles? if the lower/upper control arms are similar, the knuckles might be clean swaps, and since the CL and 5th gen accord are very very similar, that could mean the TL knuckle to accord might work.

Either way, I would love to give these a try once I get some $$$ and time to pull the accord hubs out of my spare knuckle and order a TL/CL hub+rotor.

-edit-
more food for thought, from gathering some info from CL/TL owners.
97 3.0 CL's had 4-lugs like 2.2 CL's, but 98-99's had rotor over hub designs. However I do not think the knuckles changed (will check the part numbers), so sounds like a possible swap.

2.5TL's had 4 lug hub over rotors, while 96+ 3.2 TL's i think have 5 lugs. the 96 RL has the same knuckles as the TL (same part #), but also 5 lug rotor over hubs. Was the 1st Gen CL based on the accord platform like the CL, or was it based on the legend/vigor platform? Would be interesting to see if the 3.2 TL knuckles are swappable w/ 1st gen CL/5th gen accord lower and upper control arms.


[Modified by TypeSH, 10:31 AM 3/19/2003]

 

The 1G CL was basically a 5G Accord with different body panels, very very similar cars. On the other hand, I think the 3.2TL uses some of the same components as the 6G Accord and 5G Prelude. One of my friends' father owns a 3.2TL-S, maybe I can take a look and compare some parts.

 

but the 96 3.2TL came out in 96, a bit earlier than 6g accord or 5g prelude. Plus it had a 2.5l base engine, which is the same size as the acura vigor from 1994. I'm thinking the early TL 95-98 were based off the 4/5g accord and/or vigor/legend platforms, while the 99+ TL's (and 2000+ CLs) were based off the 6g accord platform.

I'm wondering if the vigor was based off the 4/5g accord but built larger? or was it based off the acura legend? And what is the legend based off of?

ahh so many honda/acura parts/models that may have interchangeable parts... such a mess to go thru.

what year is the 3.2 TL your friend's father owns? I'm looking at the older pre 98 ones for a possible 5 lug swap on the 5g accord. A 99+ i believe has the exact same parts as a CL-S/CL and most likely the AV6 which you already tried.

 

I looked up the part numbers on acuraautomotiveparts.org and the V6 and 4cyl use the same knuckle. The picture of the front brakes show two different designs.. hub over rotor and rotor over hub.. looks all we need is the hub and rotor from the rotor over hub design

i just called acura carland and i found out that 97 is hub over rotor and 98 is rotor over hub. same knuckle is used for both years and since the I4 uses the same knuckle as the V6 im pretty sure 4th and 5th gen accords could use the hubs and rotors from a 98CLV6. i also found out that the hub and bearing assembly is only 30.84 from the 98CL.


[Modified by exvtec94, 10:02 AM 3/19/2003]

 

So doing this swap onto a 4 or 5g accord will require new struts and springs in the front but not rear?

That fact right there is enough to prevent me from doing this.

 

no you dont need new struts and springs if you are only doing the front brake upgrade.. this is similar to the brake upgrade using accord wagon or 95-97v6 rotors and calipers.


[Modified by exvtec94, 10:52 AM 3/19/2003]

 

No way man, even with the full suspension swap you can still use your old struts/spring combo. o.O

 

more food for thought, from gathering some info from CL/TL owners.
97 3.0 CL's had 4-lugs like 2.2 CL's, but 98-99's had rotor over hub designs. However I do not think the knuckles changed (will check the part numbers), so sounds like a possible swap.

i've look around online for rotors other than oem and couldnt find any. so finding quality replacement rotors for this swap could be difficult.

 

4th gen prelude VTEC has same bolt patterns... im not sure if the rotor hat offset/size is the same... but nopi has brembo rotor blanks for the CL, they dont specify which is which though, probably gotta call a CSR for it.

 

i called brembo and they dont have a rotor available for the 98. Nopi has a two different rotors listed for 98. one is for the hub over rotor. the other rotor listed part number# 437-1238 is not really a brembo part.

edit
looks like the 4th gen vtec prelude ones fit. the 6th gen v6 accord hub size is also 64.1. however the prelude rotors are only 23mm thick compared to 25mm on the 5th gen accord V6. so that would be the drawback of using the rotor over hub design.


[Modified by exvtec94, 2:48 PM 3/19/2003]