Ok guys, im having a problem getting my EF9 JDM cluster going in my 89 Si..

I did the research and looked at all my options, and when I was ready to jump in, I went head first, and went for it.. didn’t come out like I expected.. im not getting any power lights, and no left blink, but right blinker makes coolant temp sky rocket.. just like a bad ground.. high beam throws check engine light, and I get no tach signal when I start the car.. nothing.. nothing but weird stuff..

Now, I read up on TJ’s post, and a lot of conversion sites.. and I wirred it exactly to TJ’s.. and nothing.. I got the diagram off the workshop, and used those numbers, I used the colors, and numbers off the JDM cluster chart, and matched them up to the American C7109, and 710 numbers, and im off some how?

On both sets, the charts, i took the numbers as if hte cluster was in teh car, pluged in, and you were picking the wires out right to left, JDM's chart matched colors.. i dont' have any for USDM.. thats why think the ameriacn chart is off..

http://jdmfan.com/technical/cosmetic/sir_cluster/
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/G...1/cluster.html
http://honda.hybrids.jp/forum/showfl...w=&sb=&o=&vc=1

after taking in all that, and comparing the DX list, to the Si.. im still not rollin.. is there some how, I can get the details on each USDM pin, like they gave for the JDM one.. something has to be different.. either the JDM list is wrong, or , what I think, the USDM is off.. I don’t get wire colors, or description.. any thoughts?



No lights.. no action.. nothing..

 

Match your wires to this diagram...
http://www.geocities.com/twisted91ci...ap_diagram.htm

and

http://www.jdmfan.com/technical/cosmetic/sir_cluster/

let me know if you need any help...Mine works perfectly except for the low level fuel light and left and right door lights. Door lights are easy, just have to wire both switches, but the low level fuel light is a lot of work so I just gave up on it.

 

The 1st link might help.. but those freaking colors are hard to see.. you almost need possitions to back it up.. i cut the car side of the harness, but numbered them with tape.. the colors are hard to see.. you wouldn't by chance have a USDM chart of possitions. C709, C710's, and colors, and fucntions, that way i could back up these charts and verify it.. im sure a few possitions are wrong. its frustrating..

 

88-91 Si's are all the same? is the DX, and HF diff? for soem reason, i still think somethings up.. as per the CRX shop manual, as a DL somewhere, iwth the possitions C710 from passenger side to driver.. 1-12 i belive.. and matched them up.. but the weird thing is... some of the JDM wires are bigger.. physicly, and wouldtnt they match up wiht a bigger US wire? somethings up. im not seeing the whole picture here.

 

just a question do you have the ESS on your car??

 

is ESS something new? im adding VSS to it, to get the ECU to understand the car is moving, since i yanked out the cable speedo for the cluster..

but, to add onto the post earlyer.. this is a pain, i printed out all the diagrams, and looked them over.. i compared mine to the HF, and the Si.. neither of them matches.. all the wires were different colors, and in different locations.. i don't know why.. i hacked them all off.. and started matching wires, i think there was 3 in the dash that didnt' have a home, so i left them, everything else worked. Switched power, constant, ground, oil, water, ebrake.. it all works.. blinkers.. but... my dash lights dont' work, i dont' have lights.. whats up? i was reading somewhere, that the dimmer switch is backwards? hrmm, i left my old 89 Si pluged in, and nothing.. i dont' have the 90-91 dimmer.. do i have to jumper something to gether to get them on? full lighting would be fine to.. i dont' really use the dimmer at all.

 

yeah...replace your dimmer switch...happened to me too...must have shorted out or something...you can use your stock dimmer switch (unless it broken)...your lights will not light up unless they're plugged to that thing.

 

Yeah I feel you chief, I went through the same thing.
No disrespect to Eric Bauer who made the first wirign guide to the JDM cluster but there was a couple of things wrong on that one. Like the ground connection on the 8 pin connection was supposed to be on the mounting bolt but it didn't work for me but for some dumb luck I plugged it in of of the slots and lo and behold it worked. I suck at electronics so I didn't mind not having the DOOR ILLUMINATION DIAGRAM but I did wire it to the OVERHEATED CAT light so it's an aight solution, but I didn't manage to wire the hatch light right.

If you need any help just reply back but be clear about it I get confused easily. Oh yeah if EFLSVTEC is reading this is there anyway you can help me about my engine temp and gas gauge level problem on on the EF8 cluster? I posted about this but I never got to read i and it's the same problem; both are shooting waaay up and not giving acurate readings. I'm going to work on it tommorow morning to see if I can figure it out but any help would be dope. Thanks.

 

'88-'89 have a different wiring routing than the '90-'91 EF chassis. There was a big change made in how Honda wired their cars in the '90 models in the entire line-up. That diagam that Eric Bauer made is for the '90-'91 civic.

 

The only thing that comes to mind, is ground.. i did that when i wirred it up the 1st time.. i mean.. hell, i htink EVERY wire was backwards, no colors matched, nothing.. then i took my test light, checked all wires, turned the key, and looked for hot, then did the same with the high beams.. got a few refferences for a few funktions, and realized the colors matched in all the diagrams, just not the possitions.. then matched it up.. but i think you should back up your ground..

but thats usually the case, one time, i broke off the ground from chassis to tranny, and when i turned on the key, the water temp would go straight up, and stay.. also, with the key on, and i flicked the high beam, i think it woudl go down.. do crazy stuff.. hondas are real sensitive about grounds.

 

I do own a 90 CRX
Yeah I played around with the 6 pin connector on the cluster and I think I got it to work right. I'm just wondering if it looks right. For those with JDM clusters how high does your engine temp gauge go up when its fully warmed up and how high is the fuel gauge when you fill up the tank on average? Mine is about halfway on the temp gauge and a the fuel gauge is above the full mark.
I don't know if it as grounds or not but I wired my ground on the 8 pin connector and ran another wire to use as a ground in the 6 pin connection on the 6th slot.
How does your conections look? We should compare cause I'm tired of running out of gas without that gauge

 

First time I installed my cluster, the fuel gauge would stay way above full and would stop at half tank when my tank is actually empty...I found out that the fuel gauge was broken. Its a good thing that the person that I bought this from on ebay had parts laying around and he sent me a replacement. To test it out, try unplugging the fuel sender under the back seat. Find out if your fuel gauge connections is correct, because if you unplug it, the needle would go down (move). For ground issues, it would help if you can pick a single ground to all your ground wires. It will be a lot easier troubleshooting ground connections if they are all connected to a single bolt...just move all to the next possible ground if youre unsure. The ground I used was directly behind the cluster (middle)...I hope this helps.

 

OK.. 1st of all, i wouldn't be here without the help from Eggman here at HT, and TJ Schmidt at Hybrids.. thanks guys..

so heres the story, some of you guys know, this didn't go as easy as it did for some.. 1st i tried to go by the charts online, on how to swap the wires, and i ended up backwards.. big time, then cut it all out, and started over.. whatever you do.. just match wires.. if they don't match up to the chart.. like me.. don't hook it up.. then, ive been having a hard time getting the VSS to work right.. and i figured it out.. maybe charles remembers, i was doubting what wire out of the 3 were hot, and signal.. so i tired both.. and one way didnt do anything, the other would flicker the oil light..

so.. with that said.. i tried it anyways.. nothing.. ***but*** the slower i went, the slower the oil light would blink, the faster i went.. the faster it would blink.. never figured this out till i took it around the block a few times..

so.. whats the chances the oil, and VSS wires are the same color? lol ****.. that sucks..

for a min. i thought i had a bunk VSS.. and then tried the one out of my 92 VX hatch, and it worked in it.. so i knew it was good.. (all VSS's are the same.. DOHC-SOHC, doens't matter).

so all in all, i wanna thank all you for your help.. all that researched for me, and helped me out as much as they did.. i wouldn't be here without you guys.. thanks!

here's some pics.. word to your mother! you might have to refresh it once.. they are uploaded..





Yes... that is a 96 and up JDM ITR stearing wheel.. yes, im a JDM *****.. lol






[Modified by Built B16A, 9:31 AM 3/5/2003]

 

wow looks like my wiring job But when i put mine in my vtec would not kick in?Is there a wire you have to run from the vss to the ecu or something?I've had the cluster for about a year and i still havent put it in the car!I Got most everything to werk on the cluster but the doors and blinkers...so i guess i did ok,juss took about 3 days to do it,and now its not even in the car cuz i cant get vtec to werk and without that i wasent having any fun in the car..

p.s."built b16a" where did you get the oval guage housing and how did you got the steering wheel to fit?I purchased one and then cancel the order cuz someone told me it wouldent fit And now ic yours!!!

 

Your ECU is suppose to get a signal from your cluster that its working or you wont have vtec engagement..run a wire from B1 (cluster) to B16(ECU) and you're good to go.
Here's another example: From the tranny (VSS) lead wire is connected to your ECU (B16), and from ECU to Cluster (B1)

 

the "oval" housing is any old housing from a 90-91 CRX.. its a must with that cluster.. the 88-89 won't fit.. its the newer style.. one of the differences in 88-89, and 90-91's... as far as the JDM ITR stearing wheel.. nah, no modification.. bolted right on.. you gotta love that..

 

Glad to see you got it done.

 

better go back in and solder them connections dont want **** comin loose.....but good job getting it goin i think when i do a crx its gonna have all the good stuff too gotta wait a year or two before i can though

 

I'm your man.....

I have a SiR cluster in my 91 CRX Si had no problems whats so ever...

The best way to wire up these clusters is to look at the wiring on the back of your stock cluster then look at the wires on the SiR cluster.

That is how I did mine had zero problems works great....
Too bad ditching it for a 96 jdm integra type R

So whats the latest update ? have you had any progress with it at all ?
Do you have your stock wiring connectors that go into the cluster
that way you can see what wire went into what slot.... if not your in a world of hurt.
Drop me a email and I can help you out direct.
Cheers
cam
good luck