Don't have time to be elabrate w/ stuff, because I can't be late for work.. But here they are for now, I'll load more up later (56k sucks)












Will post the rest tonight, enjoy... Sitting in the car, post autopower cage, its like "where is the cage"

 

Who's the builder?

 

Must be a nice feeling... Sweet cage!

 

Thats cage looks great but are those rear braces NASA legal?

15.6.11 Rear braces
..."The main rear hoop braces shall be installed to form no more then a one hundred five (105) degree angle or no less then a seventy (75) degree angle with the main hoop when viewed from the top."...

 

Looks great!!!!

 

Me & my AP cage hate you & JohnG & Karl &......

Looks nice.

 

It's the same builder that AdamITR and I have. Mitch Piper. He's incredible at what he does.

As for the rear braces, it's the same style that are in mine, and several Grand-Am cars, and some of them have been crash tested harder than mine.

Warren

 

:applause:

Nice box-section mounts. Mitch is certainly very good.

Where's the "cardboard applique?"

 

damn I got a lot of painting to do

 

Yea I've seen both your guys cages, and they are very nice! But aren't they technicaly not legal for NASA? Just curious

 

That rule is regarding straight tubes. Those tubes need to be within a 75 and 105 degree angle. An x-brace acts as 2 straight tubes because of the cross support.

 

Huh!?! There is nothing about an 'x' being exempt. If you can sell it to the tech. inspector, more power to you. Not saying that it isn't strong but it doesn't comply with the rules IMO. Here is the text from the NASA CCR.

15.5.11 Rear Braces
The main hoop must have two (2) braces extending to the rear. The braces shall be attached as near as possible to the top of the main hoop, and no more than six (6) inches below the top. The braces must not contain any bends. There must be at
least 30 degrees between the plane of the main hoop and the plane of the rear braces. The main hoop rear braces shall be installed to form no more than a one hundred five (105) degree angle or no less than a seventy (75) degree angle with the main hoop when viewed from the top. The main hoop braces may be mounted at the rear shock mounts or suspension pickup points (providing that the braces remain in compliance with all other sections of the CCR). They may go through any rear bulkheads provided the bulkhead is sealed around the cage braces.

 

If it is not compliant then why is it being passed in every instance I have seen? Surely an inspector wouldn't pass a non-compliant cage because that is a serious safety issue.


For the record - my answer came from the mouth of an SCCA Chief Of Tech.

 

Nice looking cage Corey, I am sure you'll feel much much safer in that than the bolt-in.

I agree with what you are saying Mike (that we have to go by what is written), it was my point exactly about the Mandrel Bend type requirement in the CCR. Since that is "written" in the CCR, if you can sell it to a tech inspector, great, still 95% of us remain illegal technically.

 

Nicey nice bArZ dawg.

 

while im certain it will hold up and the construction does look professional, another nitpicky thing is that the GCR says the forward mounted tubes must be mounted to the floor, not really the rocker panels. but whatever, im sure it will pass and do well.

 

Drew,
I honestly can't comment on the SCCA inspection as my GCR still hasn't been unwrapped. The question was is it NASA legal. If the wording of the CCR is taken literally, then it isn't. On the other hand, if the inspector knows cage construction, & can think outside the box, he will know that the triangalation (sp) makes it stronger.

Adam,
You're right. Poor wording on that section. It should say something like, 'using a die so as to eliminate any possibility or signs of crimping or wall failure'.

The safety rules are there to protect us. I would say that the regulars on this board know this & wouldn't risk anything unsafe. The sad part is that there are a bunch of others out there who would.


[Modified by civicrr, 3:30 PM 2/6/2003]

 

Right & no section may have a dimension of less than 2"........but as we know, on Honda/Acura cars, that is actually the frame rail for the car & much, much stronger.

I can hardly wait to get back on the track. All this drooling & bench racing is killing me!


[Modified by civicrr, 3:50 PM 2/6/2003]

 

Holy car cages batman!

Looks awesome. Can't wait to see it in person.

 

Wow, looks great.
Nice brown boots.

 

I just realized something.......
that is gonna be easier for my fat *** to get into

 

Yeap, get ready to do some painting..

I have no clue about all those rules, I just said "build it, you know what works" I highly doubt any tech inspector will reject this cage, over an autopower unit..

To all those w/ autopower.. SAVE SAVE SAVE, its a huge difference!

 

Technically speaking at the center of the X there is only one bar. SCCA has approved this design in the past. I don't think it has been taken to task in NASA yet.

As an SCCA tech inspector, I highly recommend the the X be gussetted to strengthen the weak center point.

Again, I don't think NASA has ruled on the design yet.

Grumpy

 

wow nice how much did that cost?

I think you can remove your strut tower bar now

 

What is that fitting coming out of the side bars in the third pic?