which is better over all? I heard that the 1.6 is better for high reving and the 1.8 is better for torque, but can't you build a 1.6 to have higher torque?

 

ITR motor is going to be better all around.

Civic Type R is more of a novelty.

 

no replacement for displacement.

 

Mr.Spoon himself said the first thing he'd do to the CTR engine would be to bore it out to 1.8l. does that answer your question?

 

LOL yeah, that's cool how honda actually built the B16B for the EK9 rather than just throw the B18C5 into the EK9. That's the true "race" spirit right there. Heh.

 

LOL--What about technology?

We use technology to defend imports vs. domestics, can we use it now to defend this instance?

 

The B16B is the ultimate "torqueless wonder" heh, but IMO seeing tests and videos on both the Civic R and Integra R, B18C5 > B16B.

 

mmm, ya got me thinking.


Oh but if you took the technology in a B18C5 and put that in a 5.7 liter V8 you would have a incredible motor!

So back to the basic, no replacement for displacement... right?

 

Anything that can be done to a B16B can be done to B18C5.....a lot times there are the smae price anyway.

Calculate how much a CTr motor will be and then add it to the total of motor purchase. Now find out how much a ITR motor will be.

I'd get the JDM GSR motor over the CTR motor (Same Hp more torque then the CTR).

The CTR motor is not really worth it.

 

However, that 1.8 liter B16B would still maintain its superior R/S ratio over the B18C5.

 

I would only get the B16B just because of it's name and not for it's performance.

 

dynoed mine this weekend , put down 104 ftlbs. motor is bone stock, except for an exhaust. lots of fun up top, but im picking up an itr crank later this week

 

Except nitrous, superchargers, turbochargers, and rpms....

 

Just how would the stroked out 16B have a superior R/S over the 18C/C5? Particularly when you will be using the same CRANK and RODS from the 18C/C5?

The block is the same....16B = 18C

what you end up having is 18C + PCT pistons (or whatever pistons you choose to use) in a block with a STAMP of a 16B

 

I believe the B16B has 185 over GSR's 180.

 

He was asking for all around performance. Both motors are comparably priced. Why pay the same price for an underpowered engine (comparing this to the C5)? Hence why I said it's a novelty. Most people would get the CTR motor and say "Hey, I have a CTR motor under the hood!", and then all the ricers would rejoice.

I agree that the B16B in it's stock form in the EK is a great engine, but for a swap and logical reasons, the ITR motor is the pick of the litter. If the B16B were substantially less, then it would be a better buy. But people are making money off of selling "rare-JDM" items.


[Modified by acuracing, 3:20 PM 1/6/2003]

 

You wouldn't be using B18 rods or crank with a B16B bored out to 1.8 litres, so the stock R/S ratio would remain. A stroked one would have a worse R/S ratio.

B16B + ITR crank & rods = high compression B18C5. The B16B actually uses the same block as the 1.8 litre motors (taller deck), so swapping the crank and rods is all you need.

 

I don't think Mr Spoon would even bore it out, he'd just install a stocker kit (end up with a B18C), after all he does sell them. It even includes pistons so you get the JDM ITR 11.1:1 CR


[Modified by RICHJ, 12:05 AM 1/7/2003]

 

JDM GSR plus pct pistons and cams, youll spend less then the ITR, and have more hp/torque then both b16b/b18c5. Not a hard decision in my mind.

 

That may be what I am after... my memory never seems to serve me correctly.

 

Why is everyone refering to Mr. Spoon all the time? Didn't he make camshafts for the S2000 that reduced HorsePower??? What about Mugen and Jun or Top Feul? Doesn't Top Feul use a B16B. Anyways thanks for the response though, especially the dyno chart. But what about the Transmission? I hear the B16B was weaker but had closer gear ratio's? And final drive? Also why are alot of people looking for the CTR cams? Are they better? All your feed back has been great Thanks.

 

http://www.takakaira.com/asp/template.asp?cat=2&id=609

 

I think they are all mde the same

CTR has same gear ratios as 96 JDM ITR and US ITR

Revised gear ratios are on the 98 JDM ITR and the UK ITR


[Modified by RICHJ, 12:29 AM 1/7/2003]

 

you mean final drive's right?

 

I believe that's all the gear ratios but I can check