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Old Dec 10, 2002 | 03:22 AM
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I want to drop a b16a1 into my 91 STD, and my local friends have quoted some pretty outrageous prices on doing this....just looking for info from people who have done this - how much it cost them for all necessary parts (no labor, I've got that handled) and also what parts I'm going to need to get this done right. Also interested in knowing what it would cost to get that 5th gear in there in addition to everything else. Thanks for your help.
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Old Dec 10, 2002 | 06:05 AM
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Default Re: looking for average cost on swapping a b16a1 into a 91 std...help? (fp91hatch)

the minimum you will need is motor, tranny, ecu, mount kit, shift linkage, axles, hubs - you will need to convert from DPFI to MPFI which requires an injector resistor box - to do it right, replace clutch, timing belt, pan gasket and crankshaft seals - will need exhaust work - depending on what you have to pay for parts, it will probably be close to $2500 - $3000 without labor.
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Old Dec 10, 2002 | 07:33 AM
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Default Re: looking for average cost on swapping a b16a1 into a 91 std...help? (jlicrx)

you will need to convert from DPFI to MPFI which requires an injector resistor box
You do not need to do this. I have an 88 crx hf and I droped a b16A1 into it and did not do this and everything runs fine.

You have a 91 which is newer then an 88.
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Old Dec 10, 2002 | 07:40 AM
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Default Re: looking for average cost on swapping a b16a1 into a 91 std...help? (FURBALL B-16)

On the 91 Standard you do have to convert to MPFI to run a b16a.

Check my sig for pics of my old std

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Old Dec 10, 2002 | 07:42 AM
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Default Re: looking for average cost on swapping a b16a1 into a 91 std...help? (fp91hatch)

u need:
new motor mounts(350~500)
new axles (integra works 90)(~174)
make ur exhaust fit the header (no big deal)($20)
integra trotle cable($20)
engine+tranny+ecu ($1,250)
new gasket and seals kit for engine (150)
DPFI to MPFI miscelanius ($50)
shop to swap it ....(500-900)
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Old Dec 10, 2002 | 07:56 AM
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Default Re: looking for average cost on swapping a b16a1 into a 91 std...help? (JDM EF9)

i have a 1990 std this is what it cost me:
Car 500
sold motor -300
engine tranny and ecu 1250
HCP mounts and linkage 220
Hasport wiring harness for STD 120
exhaust 100
axles 110
front hubs off integra GSR $50

and that is all no labor because i did it myself TOTAL: 1950 including the car WHO'S YER DADDY
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Old Dec 10, 2002 | 08:34 AM
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Default Re: looking for average cost on swapping a b16a1 into a 91 std...help? (AllMotorEF9)

who's yer daddy....that's a good one . Under 2k for the whole deal - i definitely can't beat that. thanks people, you've given this noob something to work with. definitely cheaper than my friends thought. i love this site!
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Old Dec 10, 2002 | 08:44 AM
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Default Re: looking for average cost on swapping a b16a1 into a 91 std...help? (Count Blah)

BTW Count Blah, did you keep it a 4-spd, and what were you running in the 1/4 (mods?)? Just want to know what I can expect at first, though I'll be adding mods later. **** was lookin' pretty sick there, too bad it's retired .
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Old Dec 10, 2002 | 08:51 AM
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Default Re: looking for average cost on swapping a b16a1 into a 91 std...help? (fp91hatch)

I can perform the complete swap for $350. (Parts not included)
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Old Dec 10, 2002 | 09:28 AM
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hmm.....that's pretty cheap. where are you located?
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Old Dec 10, 2002 | 09:37 AM
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Default Re: looking for average cost on swapping a b16a1 into a 91 std...help? (FURBALL B-16)

you will need to convert from DPFI to MPFI which requires an injector resistor box

You do not need to do this. I have an 88 crx hf and I droped a b16A1 into it and did not do this and everything runs fine.

You have a 91 which is newer then an 88.
Umm... Your HF was already MPFI from the factory. But any DX or Std is DPFI which needs to be converted. Don't open your mouth if you don't know what you are talking about.
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Old Dec 10, 2002 | 09:39 AM
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Default Re: looking for average cost on swapping a b16a1 into a 91 std...help? (fp91hatch)

You can't keep it a 4-speed. The 4-speed tranny is a D-series, B16 is a B-series and only accepts B trannies, and there are no 4-spd B trannies that I know of or at least that anyone would use.
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Old Dec 10, 2002 | 09:49 AM
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Default Re: looking for average cost on swapping a b16a1 into a 91 std...help? (fp91hatch)

No you cant keep it a 4spd - d series transmissions to not bolt up to b series blocks. I never got a 1/4 mi time (not into drag) but i estimate high 14 to low 15 sec times per the usual.

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Old Dec 10, 2002 | 09:50 AM
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Default Re: looking for average cost on swapping a b16a1 into a 91 std...help? (FourthGenHatch)

Thanks. Dammit, I hate being new to imports. This is my first import after owning/working solely on domestics. I'm loath to post anything on this site because of all the ****** out there who are quick to flame noobs like me. At least you were nice about it .
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Old Dec 10, 2002 | 10:46 AM
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Default Re: looking for average cost on swapping a b16a1 into a 91 std...help? (fp91hatch)

well i finally took my 88 dx hatch in for the b16 swap yesterday...finally after two years of sayin im gonna do it..i did it..i cant wait to get it back b/c ill be spankin all these people that think that my car is still slow.....its runnin my $3800 everything done, no lsd trans....they said if it all gets in on schedule itll be up and runnin by next weekend...so hopefully b4 Christmas! (which is my present)

my car is in good hands... and the b16 is on the way
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Old Dec 10, 2002 | 12:31 PM
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I am located in Minneapolis, Minnesota. My e-mail is mntuner1@hotmail.com. Please feel free to email me with questions or concerns.



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Old Dec 10, 2002 | 01:06 PM
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Default Re: looking for average cost on swapping a b16a1 into a 91 std...help? (MNTuner)

My shop in Chicago is doing it for $3200 for my b16a swap into my CRX, including all parts and labor (b16a w/ Y1 LSD, HA Sport mounts and linkage, timing belt, water pump...).


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Old Dec 10, 2002 | 04:58 PM
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Default Re: looking for average cost on swapping a b16a1 into a 91 std...help? (SiRex91)

why pay when you can do it yourself ?

save yourself some money....
if anyone is in the SC north GA area and need a b16 put in their EF, give me a shout i will do it cheap.... as long as you buy the parts.....


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Old Dec 11, 2002 | 01:21 PM
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Default Re: looking for average cost on swapping a b16a1 into a 91 std...help? (AllMotorEF9)

jeez...allmotoref9...well allready gave then 1/2 of the money...sorry...probably would've done some business w/ya...oh well...here i get a written out warranty and crap like that...sorry
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Old Dec 11, 2002 | 01:37 PM
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thats cool.... i can do that swap blind folded..... after you do the hardest one possible which is a STD. an SI or a HF is just easy hehe

good luck
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Old Dec 11, 2002 | 02:33 PM
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I can do it for $3000 and thats in the door 91 civic, out the door b16 powered civic. Everything included, no headaches


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Old Dec 11, 2002 | 02:38 PM
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Default Re: looking for average cost on swapping a b16a1 into a 91 std...help? (AllMotorEF9)

Someone else with a modded 4th gen in clemson, didn't ever think I'd see the day.
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Old Dec 11, 2002 | 02:43 PM
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Default Re: looking for average cost on swapping a b16a1 into a 91 std...help? (importfan85)

hah i havent seen you riding around... do u goto clemson?

actually there are 2 of us with b16's riding around a 89 4 door, and my 90 hatch.... also some friends of mine have 5th gen's

were in the CSCC you should come out to our autocrosses....


P.S. whoever is instant messeging me on the forum for some reason i cant recieve instant messges
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Old Dec 11, 2002 | 02:46 PM
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Default Re: looking for average cost on swapping a b16a1 into a 91 std...help? (AllMotorEF9)

I actually live in Six Mile, go to Daniel. I've been to one autocross, haven't had the chance to compete yet...
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Old Dec 11, 2002 | 04:25 PM
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Default Re: looking for average cost on swapping a b16a1 into a 91 std...help? (fp91hatch)

You will have to do a little wiring for mpfi but I got my whole setup from Hmotorsonline for $1950, shipped to my house. Included motor, tranny, ecu, axles, hasport linkage, hasport mounts, complete Jdm harness with the resistor box you will need, and 90-93 integra front brakes with the hubs you will need. Props to steve.
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