Used hawk blues for the first time this weekend. After a test day and nearly a full race weekend, the pads are about half done, i dont think i have more than 1 more race weekend left. how many weekends have you guys gone thru one whole set?

 

3-4 weekends depending on the tracks that are driven
HPDE... not racing


[Modified by Willard, 8:05 PM 9/15/2002]

 

I have about 6 one day HPDE events on mine.. I think the rotors wioll go before the pads do. The pads look like at least half left.

 

About 6 HPDE weekends. My second set is still half-3/4 left after a race weekend.

 

Will...when do you think you will have a chance to try the new Ferodo DS3000's I brought up for you at LMS/Concord? As we discussed, try to install them with new rotors. I have a new set of ITR rotors here for $40/ea if you need a set. Stay in touch... -Andie

 

I have about 1/2 pad life left after three track days. The rotors they were used with are now garbage. The car without driver is 2150# if that helps.

 

When I ran Blues I *usually* got 4 HPDE weekends out of them. The last set I bought I raced on for one weekend, and they did not wear well. I'd estimate one HPDE and one race weekend and they were basically trash.

A lot of us are finding brake pad quality to be somewhat inconsistent from one pair to the next. That doesn't *help* you but itmay serve to explain your (IMO) accelerated wear.

 

The blues I used at Lowes still look like new. The rotors didn't fare so well and are cracked and warped. Not surprising since I apparently had them glowing going into turn 1.

Lowes was easy on brakes for the most part, but turn 1 was fairly brutal.
I've decided that the brakes on my car ('94 GSR) just plain suck *** and can't keep up with the performance of the rest of the car. Rotors have become an absolute disposable item that last two weekends at best. Turning them is useless as this causes them to crack immediately at the next race.

Hey Andie... Where are my Ferrodos???

 

yeah, im wondering that karl. did somebody mention hawk changed its compound without letting ppl know? or was that a long time ago or some other street compound? thanks guys.


[Modified by Tyson, 12:22 AM 9/16/2002]

 

Catch 22...is this Scott Giles?

Your Ferodos are on a boat somewhere at a dock in Italy...waiting to get to me, literally.

I don't think you'll have to view rotors as so much of a disposible item with the Ferodo compound I have coming in for your fitment.

-Andie

 

I hate to ask, but what's the cost on these babies?

 

It depends on your fitment. Popular H/A fitments are:

D273 $122.44
D465 $138.22
D503 $140.40
D617 $148.64

These are popular/common front Honda/Acura fitments in Ferodo DS3000 race compound.

Honda-Tech.com members receive a 5% discount on Ferodo compounds/pads. While in some fitments, the Ferodo compounds may seem more expensive than other available compounds, they do tend to wear better, brake better, and are much friendlier on the rotors.

HTH... -Andie

 

Karl, as your pit crew at Kershaw for the 1st race, your Blues lasted one DAY, not a weekend.

FWIW, my Panther XP (1108) pads have ~300 track miles at VIR and Charlotte. That with ~1000 street miles, my pads have worn ~20%. And I'm not exactly driving easy either (although O-man might disagree ).

Edit: And rotor wear? Non existent.


[Modified by MaddMatt, 5:50 AM 9/16/2002]

 

hawk blues....daily driven....i went through 1.5 sets of pads at CMP, 3/4 at summit and 1/10 at lowes.....i think i only used the brakes at 1-3-4-5 and that was it....should be good enough for vir-n....but will put a new set on to be safe....
rotors are a disposable item when you run hawk blues....and plan on a crappy set of rims unless you want to tear the **** outta them!!

 

Are you serious? They'll eat the rotors to the cooling veins in a few weeks.

 

Hmm, well Blues wear like iron on my ITR, even during race weekends. I use less than half for a race weekend at CMP. On average, mine have lasted about 4 weekends.

Warren

 

Hi Tyson;

I use up Blues the same way. Blacks last me a weekend, no more, and Blues last me two. MAX.

I need to get some cooling air to the brakes, I'm hoping that that helps slow down the wear a little bit, it gets a little pricey buying these things every two weekends, doesn't it?

Jon

 

I had a set of Panther XPs that lasted 3 days at CMP (this is excellent wear for my car at this track BTW) and did not damage the rotors. My next set of XPs lasted ONE DAY at Summit Point. New that morning, On the backing plates after the race.

Inconsistent... Methinks so.
I've never seen this out of Blues.

Andie... It is me and I'm anxiously waiting for the Ferrodos. Since we talked I have also discovered that Chuck Hemmingson is using them on his W.C. Protege and refuses to use anything else. Corey has also given them an enthusiastic thumbs up. My brakes suck so bad, I'll try anything at this point.
If you get them to me within a couple of weeks I can run them at VIR. Otherwise It'll be 2003 before I can try them.

 

hum, Hawk blues.. Lasted one day at Jefferson Circut at summit point.. Fell of the backing plates, vowed never to buy them again...

Fried threw a set of XP's at CMP in one day (had over half pad) and had to use Warren's extra blues for the race..

Got one weekend out the XP's at Summit (1108) and had to borrow a set of used blues from Adam C. Worked fine, but the heat from blues Melted EVERYTHING in my front end, if it was rubber or a rotor, it melted..

Used Ferodo DS3000 at CMP, was done that weekend and still had over half pad, and rotors look brand new...

Used same set of LMS, rotors still look new and same pads can probably make it threw VIR weekend..

Bottomline what I have found...
Hawk Blues -
pros-work great, always bite, saved my *** more than once....
Cons-Can't explain, but everything seems to melt on my car when I use them, eat rotors, fall off backing plates, corosive dust...

Carbotech 1108-
Pro's-Can be driven to track, rotor friendly, good feel, rivited, non corosive dust
Con's-seem to wear pretty quick, rivited, inconsistant between competitors

Ferodo DS3000-
Pro's-rotors are NOT a wear item, great feel, non corrosive, long lasting
con's-have to come from Europe

 

On my car the DS3000's require more careful braking. My car would briefly lockup wheels if I got on the brakes too hard. It's really weird. You have to be easy on the pedal, but you're still slowing down like if you were jamming on the pedal w/ a lesser pad.

Warren

 

It's a little surprising but I've had my Blues on for the whole season...

3 schools
2 single race weekends
4 double race weekends

I'm still at about 50% meat on both inside and outside. The rotors are starting to go, but I'm very happy with the wear and performance of the Hawks.

 

I run blues on the street as well. The key? Take it easy on the brakes and never wash the car (the "corrosive" dust actually protects pretty nicely too, my paint is very good underneath all the corrosive dust). Hawk blues will MURDER rotors if the pads are "cold". Heat them up and you'll get damned good pad/rotor life IMO. I replace rotors [edit: rotors? makes that PADS] every 7-8 HPDE's with thousands of street miles in between. So far I've cracked one rotor ever (Sebring, short course) and that was an OEM rotor. The Autozone $21.99'ea haven't cracked yet

Oh yeah, with blues (on the track) you get ON the brakes, then off. No dragging/feathering. Unless you want them to wear out quick

A friends ITA CRX gets 4-5 weekends out of each set. "Our" RX7 IT7 car got about 8 races + 1 driving school out of a set once


[Modified by SoFreshAndSoCleanClean, 1:11 PM 9/16/2002]

 

The latest HT-10 has really surprised me by working and wearing very well when treated right initially. Victor ran a set and didn't like them compared to Ferodo DS3000, but he doesn't have as much cooling as I do. My soft pedal on second of two close brake applications was due to loosening wheel bearing (knockback) - not the pads.

Scott, who thinks the brake pad market is hard to sort out...

 

Yes, Corey...they have to come from Europe...but I always have the D503 in stock. And soon, the D617 (Mr. Giles) and D273 (Mr. Richman).

Take care guys... -Andie

 

we done aproximatly 3.5hours on them at grand am cup on an ITR and they are about half way trhough ..
i don't think that we could use them safely for another 3 hours ..

maybe 1 and a half at max..
then they would go for testing purposes maybe ..

i seriously wonder how the HP+ compares to the Blue in performance....

i think taht for most people that run short races it would be ok to get HP+ if the budgets are limited ( blues are what.. 80$ a set ?? )