*** If this has been covered in a previous thread, please post the link. I could not locate a dedicate thread to this topic, then again, H-T search sucks. ***

*** Please also post B16a spec links and information to help others who know nothing of this engine. -- I need your help B-Series Pro's -- ***

The plan is to BAR certify a B-Series engine in California, whether USDM or JDM spec. Since the B-Series was offered in the states, I know someone has registered their vehicle with one, specifically.. the EF chassis. The goal is to keep cops off your back and be as 100% legal as possible without hassles, fines and definetly upping the value of your car. List any options available, going OBD-1/2 or anything else... maybe loopholes you can go through to avoid legal backlash or anything else. Products that can help switch OBD types like Rywire Jumper harnesses, etc.

Your input is much appreciated! Please post information relative to pricing, the process, and what to expect and be ready for as well as shops that can help and people who do B-Series tuning.

Also, anyone pass a b16a with a spoon headgasket? I know these motors have trouble passing due to high compression ratios, but is it noticeable enough with the spoon headgasket (since it raises compression a bit)?



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Modified by jdm4drSi at 9:48 PM 10/3/2008

 

It takes some work to BAR a JDM B16A in a EF, but its easy. I did all the work myself, using a conversion harness for the ECU, and Dizzy. I passed BAR with these mods:

Skunk2 Intake Manifold
DCSports Header
Skunk2 Catback Exhaust
Stock Intake*

I was using a stock P30-A00 DelSol VTEC ecu, and a 00 SI cat and passed the first time. I don't have the time right now to tell you everything I did to the engine to pass BAR, but if you can find info for a DelSol VTEC, you will know that you need. All REF's are different, I didn't have a "data link conector" , and still passed.

* I now have a AEM CAI, but its for a CRX, and it won't pass BAR because its "not for a DelSol." But if I took it to any smog place, they wouldn't know the difference because they don't look up the CARB #'s.









Modified by Dc4iNtEgRa at 2:09 PM 10/3/2008

 

the first gen b16's are the hardest to pass for some reason they have very high nox levels. must be do to the CP level


what about converting to propane ive been thinking about that

 

My previous post was a 1st gen B16 passing BAR. It almost showed nothing on the smog sheet.

 

THIS was what I needed. I am doing a BAR certification for a early B16 into an 89 Civic, with a Jackson Racing Supercharger.

As long as my motor is to Del Sol Spec, my SC is legal as well and can be certified as a whole package.

 

Im planning an getting a bar cert when i swap in my b16... i dont have any papers for my motor though, is that gonna be a problem? its not stolen or anything, i just dont have any paperwork with it.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by xjclassic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Im planning an getting a bar cert when i swap in my b16... i dont have any papers for my motor though, is that gonna be a problem? its not stolen or anything, i just dont have any paperwork with it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

It depends on what REF you go to... I have the paper work from HMO, and the REF I went to didn't ask for anything except for the BAR sticker for my Skunk2 intake manifold.

 

Well I would think the 2nd gen would be refined to smog regulations as it is more fine tuned than the 1st gen, might be wrong but is certainly a possibility.

What year Del sol should be sourced for parts, are we looking at... 95-96 spec?

 

What I had to do to pass...

USDM P30-A00 ECU.

ECU jumper harness *Depending on REF, Some don't like them.*

OBD-1 Dizzy *B16 or GSR*

Dizzy jumper for obd-0 to obd-1.

OBD-1 Throttle body. * I passed with a GSR, But the nipple for the Charchol canister bent to the left instead of bending straight up. Needs MAP sensor*

4-Wire 02 sensor in the Exhaust manifold.

Exhaust manifold for a DOHC VTEC motor, if it's aftermarket, make sure the CARB #'s match a DelSol DOHC VTEC, and has the bung for the 02 sensor.

CARB Legal Skunk2 Intake Manifold, or stock DelSol VTEC manifold.

EVAP purge control solenoid. From 92-95 civic/delsol.

OBD-1 Thermostat housing w/ temp sensor *Again depending on REF* Installed on my engine when I passed.

Electric VSS *Again depending on REF* Had the stock cable VSS, and I passed...

DATA LINK CONNECTOR *Again depending on REF* Did not have this, and I still passed...


AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST....


A GOOD CAT, I used a 00 Civic SI cat, and used a bung plug from my STI downpipe for a wide band 02 sensor.( because obd-2 cars have 2 02 sensors)

I hope this helps,

Alex

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jdm4drSi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well I would think the 2nd gen would be refined to smog regulations as it is more fine tuned than the 1st gen, might be wrong but is certainly a possibility.

What year Del sol should be sourced for parts, are we looking at... 95-96 spec?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Sorry, you are wrong... Japan has different smog regulations than the US.
You could spend your money on a 2nd gen B16, and have to replace the IM, plus add what I listed, and have to get a Cable-Hydro conversion kit for the trans...


Look at my BAR sticker, 88-91 crx, 90-93 integra, NEED TO CONVERT TO 94 HONDA CIVIC DEL SOL DOHC VTEC.

 

Thanks for the info and clarification!

As for the procedure.. is it just visual inspection? or testing via machine as well?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jdm4drSi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thanks for the info and clarification!

As for the procedure.. is it just visual inspection? or testing via machine as well?</TD></TR></TABLE>


What do you mean by testing via machine? Dou you mean the Data Link conector?


The REF checks everything, Its like a full body cavity search, but on a car...

 

what happens if you dont pass? is your car on record somewhere as a FAIL at the reff? therefore showing up when a cop runs your plates or when you pay registration or something?

 

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What do you mean by testing via machine? Dou you mean the Data Link conector?


The REF checks everything, Its like a full body cavity search, but on a car...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Meaning, testing against smog equipment to ensure it's correct.. I guess its a full visual inspection. Damn, full body cavity? This dude goes beyond the engine or do you mean within the engine scope?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jdm4drSi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thanks for the info and clarification!

As for the procedure.. is it just visual inspection? or testing via machine as well?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Both.

Visual inspection of all smog control devices or sensors (vacuum lines, cat converter, ECU, fuel lines, manifolds ...) to make sure they are of the correct or equivalent USDM engine/year.

Once you passed visual, your car is put on the sniffer for the smog test just like a regular smog check.

Failing one of the above 2 tests and you are sent home. They give you a second try for free of charge. They will tell you what needs to be fixed.

The only bad thing is that all ref stations are currently out of commission. Budget cut. Hopefully the Governator will reopen them soon.

 

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That might be awhile. Without the bar they give out more tickets funny how that can work.

 

That son of a bitch has made so many budget cuts that affect the core of the community, but never does he cut anything benefiting the upper class... dick head. &gt;

 

How much does it cost?? Do you fill up an application online or go directly to register an appointment?

 

It cost me 38.00 dollars for the ref inspection and smog cert. But with the new budget plan that just went into affect in California that probably will have increased. The Ref isn't to hard. I BAR-ed my 89 civic dx/b18b with my hand made harness to look stock as possible, jumper harness, dc header, stock intake tube and box, cat, and charcoal canister on the first try. I went to Southwestern College down in San Diego. That Ref is really nice and knowledgeable

 

Does the ref require OBD-1 plugs on the harness? Or can you use the OBD-0 EF harness?

 

I used the odo1 dizzy plugs just because the dizzy is obo1 and seemed easier to use those plugs. I also used the obo1 injectors with resistor block off but that's not necessary. All my other plugs were obo0 just extended to the correct locations.

 

Thanks for the info guys! Hopefully a lot of people will find this thread useful and helpful.

Another question.. is there a site to register or do you have to locate a referee station and sign up there?? What is the process of getting the ball rolling...?

Thanks for the info guys! Appreciated.

 

(800) 622-7733 call and make an appointment. If youre close to San Diego i recommend going to Southwestern College to see mike.

 

Is the b16 OBD-0 harness useable?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jdm4drSi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Does the ref require OBD-1 plugs on the harness? Or can you use the OBD-0 EF harness?</TD></TR></TABLE>

No, I just used a Dizzy Jumper harness, and the stock 88 SI engine harness.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jdm4drSi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Is the b16 OBD-0 harness useable?</TD></TR></TABLE>


Its not useable because the harness is backwards. The main plugs go to the driverside instead of the passanger side. Its only good for the VTEC, VTEC oil preasure, and knock sensor plugs. Use a stock SI harness, and use the JDM harness to extend the wires that don't reach the sensors.


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The only bad thing is that all ref stations are currently out of commission. Budget cut. Hopefully the Governator will reopen them soon.</TD></TR></TABLE>


REF STATIONS NOW OPEN!