heres the deal guys: i've never been able to get my tires to wear evenly. they always wear about 1" of the inside of the tire down and nothing else. this sounds like a toe problem to me so i got the car aligned for the eight time. here is the alignment sheet:



the car pulls to the right pretty hard which i can only conclude is that there is to much cross camber on the left side. i tried to combat this a little by putting more positive caster on the right side.

anyway, the tires wear just like i have a toe problem but i don't. all the bushings and lower balljoints have been replaced along with the boots to the upper ball joints about 40k ago. the tie rods have also been replaced. i checked (by the tire wiggle test) and every side of the car is solid.

the other thing is that i think my rear left caliper doesn't work and my rear right one is sticking a little which may cause the pull.

but WTH IS UP WITH THE TOE WEAR? i'm going through a set of summer tires every season. HELP!

 

bent suspension component? are running a aftermarket suspension?

 

i'm running neuspeed sport springs with kyb agx shocks. camber kits on every corner except front left. the tires are yokohama es 100's. although the tire really doesn't matter as my car wears all my tires funny like this. (even the winters).

if i would suspect that if the suspension was bent it wouldn't allow the car to be put back into spec.

 

LF camber is way out compared to...anything else on the car. And LF caster is almost in the red, vs RF camber and caster are near perfect

 

yes, i know i have those issues however that shouldn't cause my tire wear.

 

i don't understand why you tried to align out your pull, thats a crappy way of band-aiding the problem and not fixing it

you sure your spindles and LCAs are straight?

fix the known problems of the brakes, realign to within spec and go from there, i have the same thing to where my toe is pretty good but my camber is off and its eating tires pretty good, i think its putting toe in where it doens't look like there is toe, its weird

 

Just passing info I read elsewhere on H-T, but I believe low-profile tires are more prone to wear by negative camber, even if the toe is good. I'm having the same problem and will probably resort to adjustable ball joints to try and get rid of the excess toe (even though it's almost within spec).

 

Camber is your problem. Buy an Ingalls camber kit and have it realigned.

 

+1^^^

 

which tires wear down? post a pic of each of your tires. i'm assuming that camber LF is causing wear on that tire..

 

Why did you install camber kit on all corners except the left front, especially if the alignment chart indicates you have a left front camber problem? I've never heard of a partial install of camber kit before...

 

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x2 exactly what i was wondering. either set the rest of the camber to follow LF or buy a camber kit for your LF.

 

here's the deal. all the tires wear funny. even the front right with zero camber.

the reason i put camber kits on the all the sides was i used to ride on different shocks. for some reason, as soon as i switched from the stocks to agx's the alignment was way different.

here are some pics

drivers side front:



passenger side front:



drivers side rear:



passengers side rear:



now you make thing? wth? the wear is on the outside of the tire? that's cause i took the tires off the rims, flipped them around and put them back on so that i could now wear the other side of the tire and get more life outta them. also, these tires haven't been rotated and shows true wear from each side of the car. the wear doesn't look bad now but if i would have kept driving the tires on those edges they would be been corded in a month.

 

next time try using the macro setting for close up pics. easier to see the tread that way.

 

yeah, sry about the quality. u get the picture though: the insides are close to bald while the middle has almost half tread left. and it's not like a gradual wear gradient typically shown by excessive negative camber.

 

It looks to me like you just drive the twisties very hard and often. The tires roll and put a lot more wear on the outsides of your tires on the outside of your turns.
If this is the case, you need heavy sway bars to keep flat in the turns.

 

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that's what I was thinking, 'cept I would just combat that by increasing negative camber, not reducing.

 

I don't think you guys understood...

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that's cause i took the tires off the rims, flipped them around and put them back on so that i could now wear the other side of the tire and get more life outta them</TD></TR></TABLE>

It's the inside that's wearing horribly, not the outside. He just flipped them around.

OP: you still have a lot of negative camber in the rear. And I still don't understand why you have almost no negative camber on the FR, but horribly on the FL AFTER you did the alignment.

 

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Agreed, just saw "wear is on outside".

 

Another note, don't buy directional tires if you are going to flip them.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JT &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Another note, don't buy directional tires if you are going to flip them.</TD></TR></TABLE>

and why not? Obviously, if you want to move a directional tire from the left side of the car to the right side of the car, the tire will have to be dismounted, flipped, and remounted. But big deal, doesn't mean you shouldn't buy directionals.

 

If you flip a directional tire, that can have an adverse effect on the way water is channeling out the tires during wet driving, which affects safety and peroformance.

 

either you didn't read my post or you didn't understand it. If you didn't read it, don't post again. If you didn't understand it, don't post again. Now I'll try to make it as clear as possible:

"Obviously, if you want to move a directional tire from the left side of the car to the right side of the car, the tire will have to be dismounted from the wheel, flipped, and remounted onto the wheel. But big deal, doesn't mean you shouldn't buy directionals."

 

I understand what you said, but you don't seem to understand what flipping a directional tire means or pay attention to the detail. Flipping a directional tire is to dismount the tire and change the original rotating direction. What you described is to move the tire from one side to the other side keeping the direction the same, which I may add is the correct way and should have been used. My comment was adddressed to op because if you look at his passenger front tire above, it's actually flipped.

 

jt, the reason you saw the tire going in the opposite direction is because that tire labeled passenger front is actually the driver front. the thing is when i put the pics on the web i forgot that now the tires the tires are on opposite sides of the car. and since i wanted to show you what tire wear was associated with what tire, i labeled them the opposite. so in reality that pic labeled passenger side is actually on the drivers side, but the i labeled it this way to indicate that wear was caused by the passenger side.


sry for the confusion. i assure you, the tires are directionally correct on the car correct. i wouldn't make that silly of a mistake.

anyway, i'll be put putting new calipers, rotors, and pads on the rear soon and we'll see if that takes care of my pull although i feel it won't.

also, what is your guys opinion on tire pressure? to combat the excessive inside tire wear i've pumped the tires up (38f/36r) to hopefully wear the insides less. will this logic work or am i thinking about it in reverse?