*PLEASE NO COMMENTS ON THIS SETUP* (i dont give a **** if you think it can or cant be done, or shouldnt be done for that matter)
i just want to know WHO has one and there email addy. thanks...

 

i'm working on this swap w/ a friend of mine... it's a h23 from a 92 lude si w/ custom turbo manifold and t28 ball bearing. we're currently looking for a better choice in mounts than place raceing.

 

i read a thread dismorning...some dude had a HB with a 95 lude in it and i think hes selling the car to..

 

yeah i read that thread to i think. i will email him.
and i DID do a search and all i came up with is ****!!! ******** just saying it will handle like ****, it wont fit, its a bitch, not worth it, etc AND THESE PEOPLE DONT EVEN HAVE A H22/H23 POWERED EF/CRX! i want to hear from the people that do!!!
thanks...

 

yea i wanna no too. i am currently looking for a h22 to put in a 90 hatchback. who makes better mounts than place racing?

-mitsuman

 

this is what you do to find better mounts than place: next time you see something 'custom welded' on someones car in your area ask them who did it. go to that guy/shop and talk to him (dont tell him what you want to do yet) and see if you trust him (or her, but i havent met any women welders). then have him fab something up. you might also want to do a front crossmember too (i dont know what the clearance is, but if i do it im going turbo, more the better)...

 

People don't have them because of what you said above. Not trying to be an ***, but there is so liitle info on this swap because of all the negative side affects along with it.

 

well if you take a little look at my sig you will see i have a 88 HF, it doesnt get much lighter (stock) then put the biggest ****** motor i can find (h23) = my car halling ***! they have used that formula for years (like 30-50 years). i dont care if you think i can drive it on the street, in fact its better that everyone thinks that, they wont know what just smoked there asses.

here is a little tech info for you too: the 92-95 Prelude engines (both H22 and H23) have CLOSED decks, your little civics and **** have OPEN decks. so i will be able to run boost a lot safer on my STOCK sleeves...more reston to chose a H22 over a B18C...

 

have you ever heard of anger management? because in every one of your posts you are cussing someone out. try having a nicer approach to things, right now you just kinda sound like a jackass.

 

sorry i am kinda an ***. but i have been reading the past post (like everyone always says!) and all i read is wont fit, doesnt turn, DO A SEARCH, and read the old post.

im just trying to find the people who accually have done this to have some one on one questions...

 

Hello Mcfly! Who gives a crap how light your 88HF is. When you dump that heavy motor over the front wheels, physics dictates your handling characteristics, not heresay on the internet. You really think a 70/30, or worse, weight dist. ratio will handle well?

Sure, it will be quick as hell in a straight line. If that's what you are after, then go for it. But if you want to autox or track that beast, good luck.

Hence, my theory stands about why there is so few who do this swap. You should consult a Honda drag forum for better answers and quit being so pissy with us.

 

this right here is exactly what he didn't want in this post, can you people read?

 

did i ever say this was going to be a auto-x car? im sure a 88 HF with a H23 and a turbo would do great going threw the cones...

 

Whatever. It started out with him wondering why no one had any info, and I told him why. No one seemed to accept that, so that's why I posted what I did, recommending a drag forum or something. Why don't you read the entire progression of posts and make up your own mind? His attitude didn't help much either.

 

I'm sorry that everyone diagrees with you, cause I am on your side. I think prelude motor swaps will be the ultimate swap and I would have one too if I had the money.
1. cheaper than b18c swaps
2. more torque than ls-vtec
3. It only weighs 150 more lbs....... so evryone quit your complaining about handling.
4. as turbohf said, prelude motor's sleeves can handle boost

 

Since I am replying to your post and not the main one, I am allowed to say this. Also, I don't want to see incorrect info said here.

150lbs is a *huge* deal when it is dead-smack over the front wheels. That is by far the worst place to add weight in a FWD car. Also, I thought a D series to H series was more like 200 lbs more. A D series to B series is roughly 75 or more.

Anyways, hope where you race it is straight.

resume the normal post...

 

if i was auto-xing i would probably go with a Si HB and supercharge it. but if i did this yes it would be a drag car, but i will drive it on the street too. i do realize that 125-175lbs is a large amount, its like having someone in the car with you at all times (or on the hood for that matter).

and sorry if i was coming across as an ***. but im just trying to get REAL info not BS 'my freinds sisters cusion did this swap and it sucks' i want stuff like 'yeah we put it in last week and if halls ***!' or 'yeah we put one in last week, the handling isnt all great, but a great drag car!'

 

if you only add 150 lbs then quit complaining and doo it. You can rearragne 150 Lbs over the rear easily. with battery and all that crap. It will still out handle most cars and would be kick *** for daily driveing.

Do it man. i would but dont have:

info
money
time
wanting ( cause i track race)
or
another car to do it on............

 

jeremy lookofsky has 1 and the guys at l'natural are cool as **** and willing to help people out. i thought of doing this before but after emails from them and other EF H22 owners i decided not to..... but if your dead set on it email the guys at l'natural....

my 0.02 is if it really wasent that bad handling why dont more people have them........... think about it.

 

Ok I have nver driven a H22 or H23 CRX but...

I can vote for the understeering problem that comes with the swap of a
larger and heavier engine. A friend of mine went from a D16z to B20 VTEC in his 1991 CRX ZC he is complaning about chronical understeer. It happens when he starts to corner and opens the throttle.. the car seems to understeer for a second and then it's gone..It could be something solved by an alignment job by a specialist like the one who did my car. But it sounds too much like a weight distribution problem to me.. Heavy engine, light rear.. Is putting 150lbs in the rear the solution? I think not..

My friend is also complaining about torsion.. The front of the car has low resistance against vertical movement. Since Honda engine (except for the new K-series) run counterclockwise, this pulls the front up and gives wheel hop. Besides the SiR has re-enforcements stock which was used to compensate for the powerfull and violent B16. It's just my opinion but if you decide to run a H22/H23 you'd probably need one of these:



The Z10 Radius Arm Traction System can offer your CRX Increased durability, improved traction, lower 60' times and will completely eliminate wheel-hop.

I'm not saying you shouldn't , just telling you to do things right from start!

 

REX VT, its already in the works! im trying to convince a friend that he sould make me one (**** paying 500 bucks for the Z10), if not i know of someone that has one for sale...

 

I agree 500 $ is a lot and it does not even bolt up in my SiR!!

 

In August I will start designing and building a kit for this. It will not be an inexpensive kit. It will in all likelyhood require some welding on the right-hand framerail. It will come with templates to insure proper placement of the engine. It will also come with a custom front crossmember. I am not sure If I will make the crossmember, or have someone else make it for me. It will take several months to make the kit and test it. No information on price yet.

As for handling, the car will handle fine. After roadracing a B16A 89 Civic hatch, B16A powered 90 CRX and an H22A powered 92 Civic CX I do not see a big problem. There is only 85 lbs difference between the B16 and H22. Sure it will not handle as well as my B16 hatch did, but right combo of springs and shocks few drivers would be able to tell. With Progress Group's help and expertise I am sure that part will be dialed in quickly.

 

HASport's gonna make a mount kit for H22's in 88-91 civic/crx's!! As for the weight difference and handling, you heard it from brian himself and him and Joe have always given me great help and advice! I heard the same stuff when i did B20VTEC in my '87 hatchback. It had a lot of torque steer when i was on wide open throttle but other than that it wasnt even noticeable in cornering or daily driving. Im sure autocross would of been a different story but i dont do it so ill never know.

 

Why not go straight at the project and do it. You know the answer already about handling and you said you want it for drag so Good Luck


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