CalvitoSol

ok guys, i did some math today and these are the figures that i came up with for my custom install that i plan on doing. this is way over my budget! is there something that i can go w/o or ways to trim down these prices? take a look and tell me what you guys think. so much for the cheaper/custom turbo kit. here are the numbers:

Parts: Price
used t3/t40e Turbo..........................................$40 0.00
RevHard Manifold.......................................... ..$310.00
tial wastegate w/ dump tube.............................$250.00
custom oil cooler for turbo................................$55.00
various gaskets........................................... ....$100.00
vafc.............................................. ..................$200.00
ngk bkr7e............................................. ..........$15.00
dsm injectors w/ cleaning by RC Eng.................$200.00
downpipe.......................................... ..............$100.00
misc hardware (clamps, hoses, etc)...................$200.00
Autometer boost guage (b/c it has psi readings).$60.00
Greddy egt guage............................................$ 150.00
gauge pod............................................... ........$30.00
halmeter af30.............................................. ....$300.00
XS boost controller........................................ ...$100.00
custom exhaust w/ gutted cat............................$300.00
intercooler....................................... ................$400.00
intercooler piping............................................ ..$100.00
bov (hks or blitz)............................................ ..$200.00
msd ignition set (msd 6btm, wires, dist. Cap)......$350.00
total: $3,820.00




[Modified by theory48, 12:40 PM 7/8/2002]

EKB18BPR3

thats a lot more than kit. go buy a used turbo at a junk yard from audi, vw, nissan, volvo for about $80. buy a 93 civic vx exhaust manifold $20 and mate them both with an adapter plate ($30 at local muffler shop/machine shop). also at junk yard get a used intercooler from mitsu, ford(probe), any turbo'ed cars for about $50. injectors too either from junk yard $30 or ebay $50. 2 1/2 inch various length/bend pipes from home depot/junk yard $30. mate the pipes with silicone couplings from also home depot for $10. oil/coolant lines from Napa/auto stores for $10 at most. used dsm BOV junk yard/ebay $50~60. muffler shop will mate ur turbo to exhaust pipe for about $70. all this adds up to about $300. now the 6btm and fuel management unit is pricey....cant find then at any junk yards...hehe cant help u there. either way ur gonna spend about a grand if u wanna run ur turbo safely. but if ur only gonna run it at 4~6 psi's...lot of this stuff inst neccessary. oh and remember to adjust ur distributor a bit.

MyWhiteCivic

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Can you actually use a turbo from a 97 Audi 1.8T A4? My friend gave it to me and I asked this question before but no one listened or answered.

EKB18BPR3

all turbos are virtually the same. the only difference between the turbos from different cars is the bolt patterns that attaches to the manifold and down pipe. u can go to a machine shop/muffler shop and have them make an adapter plate that goes between the manifold and the tubo. the down pipe...piece of cake to the muffler shop guys.

CalvitoSol

well, i'm about a third there already and i want it to run as realiable as possible. So far i have the turbo, manifold, vafc, and oil cooler. i guess i can just buy the gauges, intercooler, bov and run about 4.5 lbs until i have enough money save up for all the other stuff on the list. do i really need the 6btm if i'm running low boost? any thoughts on this? and because of my personality and the way that i am, i just can't deal with going the ghetto way. i want brand name, quality **** damn it!


[Modified by theory48, 1:48 PM 7/8/2002]

EKB18BPR3

do i really need the 6btm if i'm running low boost?

nope...just get a iridium spark plugs/ngk spark plug wires. i just intalled my junk yard turbo project and im not even running a intercooler. its been 2 days with 4psi...i dont have 6btm...i will later though. and u WILL need some sort of fuel management unit...like hondata/aem/zyne...i prefer aem but they all work. pretty spendy though....

CalvitoSol

thanx for the infor dniedacess, but how do yo adjust your distributor? thanx

shermanyang

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man your custom turbo kit is costing way more than mine!!

Cramerox

the only think i can think of a bit negative about junk yard turbos are one you dont really know whats up with the turbo-unless you go know how to rebuild them. and second-you cant clock the turbo's-meaning that running the piping is a bit more challanging. But on a lighter note-they are cheap cost wise.

CalvitoSol

wow, yours cost less than mine? even with the pistons? how much are planning on spending?

CovertFI

there is a big diffrence between turbos other than the bolt patter. you have have a huge a/r turbine and compressor or a small. one can support 400 wile the other only 250. all with in the same bolt pattern.

dont gut the cat, it will **** with your flow. and for my custom crushed bent 2.5 inch pipes it was 110.

ceemarun

i dont see a fuel pump anywhere on that list. if you can get a vafc for $200 and all your ignition stuff for $300, i'd say you'd be better off w/ a hondata 2b. tons of people are selling their's on this board right now.

also, you can pick up injectors for like $50, then go to http://www.cruzinperformance.com and have them clean and balance them for $10 each. i got mine done there and the guy is really good. you'd also need resistors (the resistor pack is ~$30)

CalvitoSol

wow, thanx for the info. i was about to spend 20 bux a pop for cleaning from RC eng. That save me alot of money. Hondata 2b for only 300.00 bux? wow, good deal. one question is, wouldn't i still need the ignition stuff? to amp up the spark voltage? i wanted the ignition stuff mainly for timing retard/advance while boosting. does hondata already do that for you tho? thanx.


[Modified by theory48, 4:48 AM 7/9/2002]

ion_four

why can't you clock a junkyard turbo? I clocked my slightly used turbo.

Cramerox

sorry i guess what i ment was you cant clock some turbo more than a certain amout of degree. how much were you able to turn yours?


[Modified by Cramerox, 9:28 PM 7/8/2002]

shermanyang

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oh here's what i got all my stuff for:

custom turbo manifold - $150(buddy)
T3 turbo - $200(thepartstrader)
tial wastgate - free(buddy)
greddy type-S bov - $100(thepartstrader)
intercooler - $100(thepartstrader)
oilcooler - $20(my work place)
B2K manual boost controller - $21(ebay)
custom downpipe - $100(muffler shop)
MSD 6AL w/cap - free(previous setup)
BTM FPR - free(previous setup)
dsm 450cc injectors w/resistor box - $50(thepartstrader)
VAFC - $250(thepartstrader)
greddy turbotimer, boost gauge, a/f meter w/dual pods - $150(thepartstrader)
ARP head bolts - $80(thepartstrader)
SRP pistons, Crower rods - $450(thepartstrader)
total seal rings - $90(my work place)
custom turbo/intercooler piping - $60(my work place)
hoses, clamps, gaskets, spark plugs, etc... - $80(my work place)
porting/polish of exhaust & intake ports - free(did it myself)

total=$1901

i did a whole lot of waiting and bargining to get these prices! not only that...working @ an autoparts distribution place also helps out.


[Modified by shermanyang, 6:34 AM 7/9/2002]

shermanyang

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oh...and i'd get a hondata too but damn...no one i know in MN has the stage 4 to program the specs of my car. much less, i haven't seen too many LS/turbo with'em. my buddy runs the VAFC hack and his car runs perfect w/7 psi boost. it's a ghetto, but easy and affordable way to tune a turbo charged car below 10 psi.

bretx0r

Mine so far:

T25 Turbo: $120
HKS SSQV: $150
Manifold: $5
Oil Feed line: $20
Fittings: $20
Oil Return line: $5
Fittings: $5
Vaccum Line: $3
T's/Check Valves: $0
Inline Fuel Pump: $60
FMU: $60
Boost Guage: $30

to go:
Front Mount: $360
Charge Pipes: $60
Silicon Connectors: $30
Downpipe: $45

$953... so basically $1,000 initially

Hopefully i will be able to hit 13's by the $1600 or so mark (about the cost of a sohc greddy kit)

CalvitoSol

damn.......i gotta do some more shopping, barganing! wow, you guys got some great prices. i think i should start looking for that too. made me realize that i should slow down and be patient. i've been getting really impatient lately and just started buying stuff with my only source of reference being the web. damn those retail prices. but you gotta admit shermanyang, some of the free parts were from you previous set up so you still spent some money on those parts, right? well thanx for the feedback guys keep em coming!



[Modified by theory48, 9:46 AM 7/9/2002]

shermanyang

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true that...true that, but they didn't make a real big difference...if added, it'll all add up to about a little over $2300 or something. but you gotta think...my bottom end is pretty well lit for the pushiment of a turbo for the price that i paid for everything.

bretx0r

you pretty much gotta konw people and shop around for good deals

CalvitoSol

yea, too bad that in my area (ktown LA, CA) all we have is bunch of ricers in their old school sohc stock civics or accords w/ loud *** exhaust and altezza'd out tail lights. and if you wanted some respect you'd have to have some luxo car with big *** rims and loud *** systems that have nothing but bass. As a matter of fact, most of my friends and fools around here just get those damn'd clear corners and blue lightbulbs and 2 12inch woofers. Sometimes, when i roll by the local speed shop, you always have some dumbass braggin about his custom full 2.0 inch piping Tanabe Medallion rip-off exhaust and how nice it sounds. like wtf?! what does sound have to do nething if your accord's still slow *** hell and maybe even slower because the muffler shop just bent the thing forcing it to fit with all the obstructions! Sometimes i see a shiny *** car that seems pretty complete but when you creep up to check it out you got yourself a super-ricer that invested all his cash on mismatching, non-fitting, made in taiwan, weak *** fiberglass bodykits, w/ the wavy ***, shaved door handles, keyhole, molding still showing from bs bondo wor, dull looking 1 day paintjob. and when i try do something useful and tinker w/ my car trying to actually "improve it", all they do is just talk ish telling me I'M WASTING MY MONEY. they just don't understand us grease monkeys that like to tinker and go through the learning experience. Whew! just had to vent some of my feelings....neways, wish me luck guys, gunna keep on shopping and try to save/haggle as much as possible to keep up w/ you guys. well, keep me posted guys. -TECH ROCKS!!!!!


[Modified by theory48, 10:57 AM 7/9/2002]


[Modified by theory48, 10:58 AM 7/9/2002]

CalvitoSol

btw, hey sherman, what kind of oil cooler do you have? i bought a used one from a junkyard and was planning on putting it right between the oil sender line before it feeds into the turbo. i thought it was a good idea at the time but people have been telling me that if i do that the obstruction that the cooler creates will lower the oil pressure going to the turbo time to time eventually starving the turbo of oil. any thoughts on this? where else would be a good location for a cooler? thanx


[Modified by theory48, 11:03 AM 7/9/2002]

CalvitoSol

by fuel pump you mean intank right? i never really knew the difference between intank and inline except that inline is for fmu's. is this correct? also, even if a fuel pump is rated at lets say around 255lph the ecu would still control fuel volume right? thanx

penjaja

None of you guys seemed to have mentioned a fmu. Does the VAFC replaces the FMU? or would a bigger injectors replaces the need for a fmu?


[Modified by penjaja, 8:02 PM 7/9/2002]


[Modified by penjaja, 8:02 PM 7/9/2002]