No more GM Synchromesh Friction Modified!
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No more GM Synchromesh Friction Modified!
*edit* This post is about the <u>Friction Modified</u> version of GM's Synchromesh. It is NOT about the regular Synchromesh fluid, either from GM or from Pennzoil
Yup. Called up my buddy yesterday at the big local Chevy dealer, looking for some Friction Modified Synchromesh before I pull my engine out. He brought out 3 quarts of the regular Synchromesh, and told me that the Friction Modified version is being phased out.
So I took the regular stuff, and then just as I got down the street aways he called me back and said he found some Friction Modified fluid.
So I went back and decided to buy all 6 quarts they had left, for the most excellent price of $51
So I guess if you use it and want to keep using it, or if you've been wanting to try it, you better call around to your local GM dealers and try to stock up now before they get rid of it.
A little history: I've been using GM Synchromesh Friction Modified fluid in my GS-R transmission for about 100,000 miles now, changing it about every 25K miles or so. My transmission has 260K+ total miles on it, still with all original internals, and it still shifts flawlessly, even with my short shifter, even in single-digit temperatures on cold mornings. It is by far the best fluid I've ever used.
Mods I'm cross-posting this in several forums so that everyone will see it.
Modified by PatrickGSR94 at 7:57 AM 12/28/2007
Yup. Called up my buddy yesterday at the big local Chevy dealer, looking for some Friction Modified Synchromesh before I pull my engine out. He brought out 3 quarts of the regular Synchromesh, and told me that the Friction Modified version is being phased out.
So I took the regular stuff, and then just as I got down the street aways he called me back and said he found some Friction Modified fluid.
So I went back and decided to buy all 6 quarts they had left, for the most excellent price of $51
So I guess if you use it and want to keep using it, or if you've been wanting to try it, you better call around to your local GM dealers and try to stock up now before they get rid of it.
A little history: I've been using GM Synchromesh Friction Modified fluid in my GS-R transmission for about 100,000 miles now, changing it about every 25K miles or so. My transmission has 260K+ total miles on it, still with all original internals, and it still shifts flawlessly, even with my short shifter, even in single-digit temperatures on cold mornings. It is by far the best fluid I've ever used.
Mods I'm cross-posting this in several forums so that everyone will see it.
Modified by PatrickGSR94 at 7:57 AM 12/28/2007
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I work at a Chevrolet dealership. If anybody is interested. I can pass on my price on to you. I prefer to only ship in quantities of a box (6) per. 
PM me for details
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All day.
My parts manager just called into whoever he calls for parts availability. It currently shows no sign of being discontinued. The warehouse quantity are extremely high currently, so if they are going to discontinue, stock now.
From what I hear, it is similiar to the Pennzoil with Friction Modifier. Please note that if the product does not have the "Friction Modified", you are not comparing an apple to an apple.
Modified by migs at 3:06 PM 12/27/2007
PM me for details<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vtec2nv »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">damn, now i have to go get a case..Just curious its safe for the stock itr lsd right?</TD></TR></TABLE>
All day.
My parts manager just called into whoever he calls for parts availability. It currently shows no sign of being discontinued. The warehouse quantity are extremely high currently, so if they are going to discontinue, stock now.
From what I hear, it is similiar to the Pennzoil with Friction Modifier. Please note that if the product does not have the "Friction Modified", you are not comparing an apple to an apple.
Modified by migs at 3:06 PM 12/27/2007
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by migs »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
From what I hear, it is similiar to the Pennzoil with Friction Modifier. Please note that if the product does not have the "Friction Modified", you are not comparing an apple to an apple.</TD></TR></TABLE>
thats what i meant:
http://www.pennzoil.com/produc....html
From what I hear, it is similiar to the Pennzoil with Friction Modifier. Please note that if the product does not have the "Friction Modified", you are not comparing an apple to an apple.</TD></TR></TABLE>
thats what i meant:
http://www.pennzoil.com/produc....html
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Pennzoil Synchromesh is a replacement for GM's Synchromesh.
It is NOT the same as the friction modified stuff.
I only have experience with the friction modified stuff and it has been nothing but awesome for the past 100K miles. I can't say anything about any other fluid, other than Honda MTF which I used before I switched to GM SM FM.
*edit* migs I supposed the warehouse quantity could be high because GM isn't really using it much anymore in any of their vehicles. At one point (several years ago) I think my buddy told me that the only vehicles using it at that time were a certain model of S-10 pickup w/ manual tranny and some Corvettes. That's just going from my memory, though.
It is NOT the same as the friction modified stuff.
I only have experience with the friction modified stuff and it has been nothing but awesome for the past 100K miles. I can't say anything about any other fluid, other than Honda MTF which I used before I switched to GM SM FM.
*edit* migs I supposed the warehouse quantity could be high because GM isn't really using it much anymore in any of their vehicles. At one point (several years ago) I think my buddy told me that the only vehicles using it at that time were a certain model of S-10 pickup w/ manual tranny and some Corvettes. That's just going from my memory, though.
I went from the pennzoil trans fluid to the GM fluid and the difference was insane!
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Do NOT USE Penzoil's formula!
I can't begin to describe how bad it is. On my last PDX weekend I went through Penzoil, GM Synchromesh FM, Royal Purple, and Honda MTF
My 3rd gear synchro's were shot, and I was desperate to find something that would help the tranny make it through the rest of the weekend.
(Didn't know it was going me problems until after the first run).
My friend used it in his 06 Type S and was experiencing very nothcy shifting after the fluid swap. We both ditched the Penziol immediately.
Penzoil sucked **** and was grinding like a ****.
Royal Purple didn't seem to be as good as below.
Honda MTF (New Formula) = GM Synchromesh FM
Both the Honda MTF and Synchromesh feel the same to me.
I replaced the 3 /4 sleeve set and run Honda MTF now.
Do NOT USE Penzoil's formula!
I can't begin to describe how bad it is. On my last PDX weekend I went through Penzoil, GM Synchromesh FM, Royal Purple, and Honda MTF
My 3rd gear synchro's were shot, and I was desperate to find something that would help the tranny make it through the rest of the weekend.
(Didn't know it was going me problems until after the first run).
My friend used it in his 06 Type S and was experiencing very nothcy shifting after the fluid swap. We both ditched the Penziol immediately.
Penzoil sucked **** and was grinding like a ****.
Royal Purple didn't seem to be as good as below.
Honda MTF (New Formula) = GM Synchromesh FM
Both the Honda MTF and Synchromesh feel the same to me.
I replaced the 3 /4 sleeve set and run Honda MTF now.
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damn this sucks, the GM synchromesh and FM has been a savior for me. I have since switched to Pennzoil because its cheaper and the same as GM synchromesh, but its not the same as the FM.
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Honda MTF (New Formula) = GM Synchromesh FM
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Got any info on this? How did you come to that conclusion?
I'll go back to Honda MTF (after I use these 6 quarts of SM FM I just bought) if this is true.... if I'm still driving my car, as it would have over 300K miles by then
Honda MTF (New Formula) = GM Synchromesh FM
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Got any info on this? How did you come to that conclusion?
I'll go back to Honda MTF (after I use these 6 quarts of SM FM I just bought) if this is true.... if I'm still driving my car, as it would have over 300K miles by then
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Got any info on this? How did you come to that conclusion?
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I have heard the same thing Patrick... but who knows for sure.
Got any info on this? How did you come to that conclusion?
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I have heard the same thing Patrick... but who knows for sure.
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Honda MTF (New Formula) = GM Synchromesh FM
Both the Honda MTF and Synchromesh feel the same to me.
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Really? I am an Acura dealer tech, and we use the GM fluid if the tranny feels a little notchy with the updated Honda MTF. Makes a world of difference.
Honda MTF (New Formula) = GM Synchromesh FM
Both the Honda MTF and Synchromesh feel the same to me.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
Really? I am an Acura dealer tech, and we use the GM fluid if the tranny feels a little notchy with the updated Honda MTF. Makes a world of difference.
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Really? I am an Acura dealer tech, and we use the GM fluid if the tranny feels a little notchy with the updated Honda MTF. Makes a world of difference.</TD></TR></TABLE>
What is this new MTF like? Is it thin? Someone said he heard it was thin like water, but if that were the case then it wouldn't be a 5w30 fluid, which is what Honda transmissions require.
Really? I am an Acura dealer tech, and we use the GM fluid if the tranny feels a little notchy with the updated Honda MTF. Makes a world of difference.</TD></TR></TABLE>
What is this new MTF like? Is it thin? Someone said he heard it was thin like water, but if that were the case then it wouldn't be a 5w30 fluid, which is what Honda transmissions require.
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What is this new MTF like? Is it thin? Someone said he heard it was thin like water, but if that were the case then it wouldn't be a 5w30 fluid, which is what Honda transmissions require.</TD></TR></TABLE>
honda new mtf is very thin like water, its not very thick at all... havent really heard about it being like gm synchromesh but you never know.. ill look on in to see what it really say about it...
What is this new MTF like? Is it thin? Someone said he heard it was thin like water, but if that were the case then it wouldn't be a 5w30 fluid, which is what Honda transmissions require.</TD></TR></TABLE>
honda new mtf is very thin like water, its not very thick at all... havent really heard about it being like gm synchromesh but you never know.. ill look on in to see what it really say about it...
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Really? I am an Acura dealer tech, and we use the GM fluid if the tranny feels a little notchy with the updated Honda MTF. Makes a world of difference.</TD></TR></TABLE>
you mix both in the tranny?
Really? I am an Acura dealer tech, and we use the GM fluid if the tranny feels a little notchy with the updated Honda MTF. Makes a world of difference.</TD></TR></TABLE>
you mix both in the tranny?
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you mix both in the tranny?</TD></TR></TABLE>
uhh, no. I think he meant, "if the tranny feels a little notchy when using the updated Honda MTF, we will then use the GM fluid."
you mix both in the tranny?</TD></TR></TABLE>
uhh, no. I think he meant, "if the tranny feels a little notchy when using the updated Honda MTF, we will then use the GM fluid."
