I was on endyn's website and read there developing a new aftermarket B-series head. The head in bare form will go for less than $500, and fully assembled with cams goes for less than $900. Here is the website, looks interesting and promising.

http://www.theoldone.com/artic...x.htm


Modified by ZC1.8crx at 11:45 AM 12/21/2007

The Next "BIG DEAL" for HONDA'S

At Endyn we equate the Honda B series engine to the small block Chevy in the domestic performance world. It's proven to be a readily available (and affordable) power plant for thousands of Honda enthusiasts over the years, however, since Honda stopped producing them for production several years ago, finding usable VTEC head cores has become increasingly more difficult. The situation is further aggravated by the fact that all Honda B16 heads produced since 1998 suffer from severe casting core-shift, necessitating additional material be added on the intake long-side bowls, and on the exhaust short-sides to achieve the same flow rates possible with earlier head castings. Most of the earlier head castings out there are so "used-up" that they require welding, new valve seats, new guides, etc, making their use an expensive proposition. Add in the cost of new rocker arms ($1200.00) and large-top lost motion assemblies ($32.00 each), the the total cost really goes through the roof. While new GSR (P72) heads are usable (their casting quality is fine), all new B16 head castings are useless. The only alternate source for new heads has been the ill-fated Top-Line / Comp / RHS Honda B series casting, but at $800.00 to $1000.00 per head made them cost prohibitive, especially since you still had to purchase rocker arms, shafts, LMA's etc, etc

A year ago we were approached by a company (DHP) that was manufacturing an all-aftermarket B series head. After purchasing a head, we found a long list of problems that basically made the head of no use, as either a bolt-on replacement, or as a core piece for modification. Since reporting all of the head's issues, we agreed to help them develop a head that's a true inexpensive bolt-on, that'll out perform any stock Honda head, while offering businesses like our own a piece that's a better candidate for modification.

The picture below shows the latest prototype. We are in the process of making three key improvements, and the final heads will be in production and available by early Spring 2008.

http://www.theoldone.com/artic...1.jpg

As you can see in the picture above, we opted to the heads LS/VTEC friendly by machining both sides for dowels, and tapping the deck VTEC oil hole, as well as providing a plug for it. We also opted to produce a version of the head with open GSR-style combustion chambers, for increased compression and detonation resistance in specific performance applications.

http://www.theoldone.com/artic...1.jpg

In this picture you can see the closed chamber head, as well as the more conventional B16 style chambered head in the back ground.

http://www.theoldone.com/artic...1.jpg

We've spent a full year developing the intake ports. Right now, we are in the process of making two final updates to the ports for release on the final production head in a couple months. All conventional B16 manifolding will bolt on and align just like on OE heads.

http://www.theoldone.com/artic...1.jpg
http://www.theoldone.com/artic...2.jpg

On the exhaust-side, all conventional manifolding is a bolt-on. We've also attempted to make all of the ports more similar than in the factory offerings that have radically different porting for cylinders' 1&4.

As can be seen, the vacuum casting technology used is absolutely first class, netting heads that are exceptionally clean with less shift and less flash than OE castings.

There heads, purchased bare, will come complete with cam caps, spray bars (and bolts), as well as all oil and rocker shaft plugs and crush washers. There will also be a complete head assembly option. The complete head will come with rocker shafts, VTEC rocker arms, 33x28mm intake and exhaust valves, valve springs, spring seats, keepers, retainers, lost motion assemblies (with larger tops and more travel than factory ITR units), and our version of 1998 ITR cam shafts. Exact pricing on the heads has yet to be determined, but the bare head should be available for less than $500.00, and the complete head for less than $900.00.....and that makes these the deal of the century. In addition to selling the heads, we will also be offering inexpensive Roller-Wave piston and rod kits for those looking to assemble killer LS/VTEC engines. We will also offer the heads in various forms of modification.

Head Features Include:

OE bolt-on
2- combustion chamber designs
Pre-Machined for LS/VTEC applications
Intake and exhaust ports optimized for increased airflow
Premium quality valve guides
Premium +1mm oversize valve seat inserts machined for stock 33 x 28mm valves


Modified by ZC1.8crx at 11:51 AM 12/21/2007


Modified by ZC1.8crx at 2:33 PM 12/25/2007


Modified by ZC1.8crx at 2:37 PM 12/25/2007

 

nice

 

very interesting

 

i hope this follows through, almost sounds too cheap

 

yeah, it looks like it could be very bad ***!

 

Let's hope they come through with it

 

900 for a head. Um you can get used heads for 300+all day. Not a great deal nor not really needed. Plenty of good b16a/b18c1 heads floating around. If this is like the supercharger we should see it out by 2017.

 

someone buy this and try it out and report back.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Billy_Bob &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">900 for a head. Um you can get used heads for 300+all day. Not a great deal nor not really needed. Plenty of good b16a/b18c1 heads floating around. If this is like the supercharger we should see it out by 2017.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Good God the supercharger... i think they still got that thing up in their archives somewhere lol. Make that VERY VERY old archives...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chris Tune &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Good God the supercharger... i think they still got that thing up in their archives somewhere lol. Make that VERY VERY old archives... </TD></TR></TABLE> I can see it now, on the product release date "own an classic honda? put a supercharger on it!"

 

if this turns out to be the real deal, ill be getting one

 

so is this fully ported to the max straight out of thebox? if so very good deal espeicaly if the valvetrain is top notch

 

I'd rather see it with blank ports and chambers. Similar to the heads that GM Performance offers.

If someone if just needing a head for a stock or mild build, I think there are plenty available that will work just fine.

 

If you read it carefully its not his product he is developing like the supercharger, but a product another company produced and was asking for larry's input on what to do to make it better. Larry is currently R and D ing for them. It is true you can find a B16 head for $300 as ***$nyper said, but add a good valve job and cleaning and it's up to what $650 totally spent and without port work on a used head with used valves, springs, LMA, ETC. versus less than $900 for a complete head with everything new and performance cams, that to me is great deal. If by spring no one has purchased one, Ill sell my B18c head and intake and get one to try on my B20vtec build.

 

Head availability is not much of a problem right now but 5-10 years from now it maybe. Hopefully the rocker arms, valvetrain and cams will hold up like oem.

 

i hope so also because if i buy the head and something ***** the bed im going to be pissed

 

I can't wait, sounds promising

 

interesting but I'll wait to get thru the teething pains.

 

interesting... see how it is when its actually release. i might try this on one of our b series builds.

 

I have had one of thesde heads in my hands

 

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i dont think i have ever seen "endyn" and "**** the bed" used in the same paragraph. there was a company doing this awhile back and they were available thru autozone (no joke). i cant think of the name. they used a dart block. entire crate motor but it was priced way too high

 

You mean " The Beast" lol...

http://www.jcwhitney.com/autop...10101

 

why this old motor...why not the k-series? it sounds like a good deal and i hope its very successful.

 

the price will come up come on, assembled VTEC head, brand new, 900 dollars? i bet it will rise to the 1200-1500 range by the time it is done. but for someone who wants to do an LS-VTEC this sounds like the way to go.

OT... why does it tell me VTEC is spelled wrong, you think for HT they woulda added this into the spell checker lol

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by f@sth@tch89 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why this old motor...why not the k-series? it sounds like a good deal and i hope its very successful. </TD></TR></TABLE>

the market is still bigger for the b-series. why make parts for chevy 350's anymore? It's all about the $$$