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Old Jun 25, 2002 | 10:06 PM
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I can't wait for the thing to arrive. I also ordered the BSQ mounting kit. How much of a difference will I feel with this swaybar? The only reason that I didn't want to order it for the RS was I think it will bump me into a different (harder) class if I ever get some ***** and go Auto-X. Is this true? Anybody with some tips and or tricks of installation, let's hear them. Thanks a lot
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Old Jun 26, 2002 | 03:53 AM
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Well you will notice the difference immediately...afterwards you will wonder why all Integras didn't come with the 22mm rear swaybar. The handling characteristics of the car will be vastly improved, because a lot of the body roll and understeer will be eliminated.

You can go to my webpage at http://www.geocities.com/bretq/swaybar_install.html and it will walk you through step-by-step. The only tip that I will give you is on removing the 2 tack-welded nuts. I highly suggest unthreading the ABS sensor bracket bolt approx. half walf and hit it "hard" with a hammer (a big hammer if you have one) about 3-4 time. This is easier than using a chisel and a hammer.
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Old Jun 26, 2002 | 04:24 AM
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Just as BSQ stated, you WILL notice the differences immediatedly. Enjoy.
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Old Jun 26, 2002 | 08:04 AM
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Hey Bret I'm almost positive ALL RS' didn't come with ABS. Not trying to flame cause you know you're the man still.
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Old Jun 26, 2002 | 08:14 AM
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RS = no ABS

WRXRacer111 has one(RS with no ABS)


[Modified by AcuraRacer112, 9:15 AM 6/26/2002]
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Old Jun 26, 2002 | 08:24 AM
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I don't know what other mods you have but the sway bar would only bump you out of Stock class, because they're allowed in all other classes. (I'm guessing you are going to be in STS).

Oh, you don't need ***** to autox, just to win
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Old Jun 26, 2002 | 09:25 AM
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Will I have an ABS sensor bracket bolt? I don't have ABS on my car but I can imagine that Honda would mass produce the unibody's meaning that my probably has one. Just checking?
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Old Jun 26, 2002 | 09:50 AM
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Will I have an ABS sensor bracket bolt? I don't have ABS on my car but I can imagine that Honda would mass produce the unibody's meaning that my probably has one. Just checking?
You will not have the ABS sensor bracket bolt, since you do not have the ABS sensor bracket. But I'm 99.9% sure that you will have the tack-welded nut on the inside of the subframe. I assume your asking about the bolt because of my comment about removing the tack-welded nut by hitting the bolt with a hammer. You should be able to just buy a similiar sized bolt at a hardware store.
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Old Jun 26, 2002 | 10:35 AM
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Do you know what size that bolt is right off the top of your head? Thanks for all the help.
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Old Jun 26, 2002 | 11:03 AM
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where'd you order the bar from? http://www.ahmotor.com has been on back order for some time....
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Old Jun 26, 2002 | 11:38 AM
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yeah where did you order it from my source just fell threw'....
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Old Jun 26, 2002 | 07:49 PM
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http://www.acuraautomotiveparts.net/

Check it out. It is a nice site with diagrams of all the parts. It takes awhile if you have 56K (which I have) to view the diagrams.
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Old Jun 26, 2002 | 08:12 PM
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i just searched for the sway bar and i didn't find it
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Old Jun 26, 2002 | 08:45 PM
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Quick question Brett, If I install the swaybar on the car, can I take it off later and put the stock one back on? Just checking. Also, do you have any other pictures of the install that you have taken? I'd like to see a picture of the nut that I have to hammer off. I haven't jacked up the rear of my car to look yet and I'm curious. Thanks a ton.
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Old Jun 26, 2002 | 08:47 PM
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Check BSQ's website for all the needed parts. then copy the parts down and then use the search on the parts site to locate the needed stuff. Laters
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Old Jun 26, 2002 | 10:22 PM
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can those with this sway bar please chime in on snap oversteer? I'm worried whether or not this is a problem because this is an upgrade that I would also like to make.
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Old Jun 27, 2002 | 05:57 AM
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i just searched for the sway bar and i didn't find it
Go to http://www.acuraautomotiveparts.net/...searchpart.jsp and enter the following part numbers to order:

52300-ST7-Z01 rear swaybar
52315-ST7-Z01 swaybar bushing (2 needed)
52308-SS0-000 bushing bracket (2 needed)
52316-ST7-Z00 endlink bushing (2 needed)
52312-ST7-Z00 endlink bushing collar (4 needed) – this part can be reused from the stock swaybar
90175-ST7-Z00 bolt (8x35) (2 needed)
94050-08080 flange nut (8mm) (2 needed)
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Old Jun 27, 2002 | 06:33 AM
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Quick question Brett, If I install the swaybar on the car, can I take it off later and put the stock one back on?
Yes, my BSQ mounting kit only requires the removal of the 2 tack-welded nuts for ABS sensor bracket. So the stock swaybar can be easily reinstalled if need be

Also, do you have any other pictures of the install that you have taken? I'd like to see a picture of the nut that I have to hammer off. I haven't jacked up the rear of my car to look yet and I'm curious.
Here's a picture that shows the tack-welded nut that needs to be removed. Remember, you only need to remove the 2 tack-welded nuts for the ABS sensor bracket.

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Old Jun 27, 2002 | 06:54 AM
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can those with this sway bar please chime in on snap oversteer? I'm worried whether or not this is a problem because this is an upgrade that I would also like to make.
I can honestly say that in the 4+ years that I have had my Type-R rear swaybar installed, I have never experienced "snap oversteer" or anything remotely close to it. Believe it or not, but I have event tried (eg. highway entrance ramps and abruptly let off the accelerator) and I couldn't cause "snap oversteer". The only time that I have heard of people experiencing oversteer with the Type-R rear swaybar is someone entering a turn way to fast and try to correct by braking (braking in a turn when driving aggressively ).

It is not a good idea to brake in a corner when driving aggressively, because this upsets the balance of the car. When you are taking a corner and 8/10 - 10/10 (ie. aggressively) there is a lot of forward momentum which is working against the car while you are turning. No if you apply the brake while turning, you will transfer more weight to the front tires and the rear tires will loose traction, which may cause the car to oversteer. It best to drive through a corner "under power" (ie. constant throttle or accelerating). One more word of wisdom..."slow in, fast out " (ie. get all of your braking done before you turn and get back on the throttle before you turn). But a lot of times people are "fast in, slow out " (ie. people carry to much speed into the corner and they are braking in the turn and this cause them to "scrub" speed in the turn, which creates a slower "exit speed").
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Old Jun 27, 2002 | 07:18 AM
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can those with this sway bar please chime in on snap oversteer? I'm worried whether or not this is a problem because this is an upgrade that I would also like to make.

I can honestly say that in the 4+ years that I have had my Type-R rear swaybar installed, I have never experienced "snap oversteer" or anything remotely close to it. Believe it or not, but I have event tried (eg. highway entrance ramps and abruptly let off the accelerator) and I couldn't cause "snap oversteer". The only time that I have heard of people experiencing oversteer with the Type-R rear swaybar is someone entering a turn way to fast and try to correct by braking (braking in a turn when driving aggressively ).

It is not a good idea to brake in a corner when driving aggressively, because this upsets the balance of the car. When you are taking a corner and 8/10 - 10/10 (ie. aggressively) there is a lot of forward momentum which is working against the car while you are turning. No if you apply the brake while turning, you will transfer more weight to the front tires and the rear tires will loose traction, which may cause the car to oversteer. It best to drive through a corner "under power" (ie. constant throttle or accelerating). One more word of wisdom..."slow in, fast out " (ie. get all of your braking done before you turn and get back on the throttle before you turn). But a lot of times people are "fast in, slow out " (ie. people carry to much speed into the corner and they are braking in the turn and this cause them to "scrub" speed in the turn, which creates a slower "exit speed").
very good advise for anyone who wants to drive correctly. i am pretty sure you've seen some track time huh bsq??
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Old Jun 27, 2002 | 08:59 AM
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very good advise for anyone who wants to drive correctly. i am pretty sure you've seen some track time huh bsq??
I have participated in 7 HPDE (high performance driver education) in the last 3 years, so I have ~21 hours of track time. Before I forget to mention, I highly, highly, highly recommend attending a HPDE. I have learned some much about car control and driving techniques by attending these HPDE. You typically get an instructor which ride which you each session (30 minutes) and teaches you how to drive the track. Some also give you classroom instruction between track session, which is very informative and very educational. If you attend a HPDE you will have a true appreciation for how well your Integra handles and how well it compares to higher HP cars.
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Old Jun 27, 2002 | 11:57 AM
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Where do I find out more info? Denver/Boulder area in Colorado? If you don't mind me asking, How much does something like that cost? Just curious questions.
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Old Jun 27, 2002 | 02:42 PM
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not to fret people, i have my ITR bar with BSQ kit for trade. all i need is your stock bar. i have all the parts that bret suggested on the website. ive had the bar on for about 50,000 miles. no rips or tears! IM me if you are interested in swapping with me and about $75.00 USD.
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Old Jun 27, 2002 | 03:13 PM
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Where do I find out more info? Denver/Boulder area in Colorado? If you don't mind me asking, How much does something like that cost? Just curious questions.
I'm wondering the exact same things.

The best I have found is http://www.rmsolo.org . There's a SCCA autocross at Coor's Field on Sunday. I was thinking about running, but I've never been to an autocross before, so I'm just going to watch this one and see how the experts drive it. Registration for Sunday's event is open until Friday at 10 am, and it's only $35 for non SCCA members to run. They also occasionally have driver's schools too, but I'm not sure how much they cost and I don't see an upcoming one on their schedule. I'm also not sure what they cover in those classes.

I'd also like to go run at Second Creek raceway some time, but that'll be after I get a ITR rear sway bar. It would probably be a good idea to get some instruction on how to drive it before I go out there too.


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Old Jun 28, 2002 | 05:22 AM
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Where do I find out more info? Denver/Boulder area in Colorado? If you don't mind me asking, How much does something like that cost? Just curious questions.
My first HPDE was with Track Time ( http://www.tracktime.com ) at Putnam Park and it cost $600 for a 2-day school. During that weekend, I meet and instructor who actually lives in my neighborhood and he informed me that he was the lead instructor for the Mid Ohio Region Porsche Club. He invited me to come out to a the Porsche CCA HPDE at Putnam Park and it was ~$200 and I would get the same amount of track time (3 hours) and classroom instruction. I have also attended a BMW CCA Putnam Park and it cost ~$300-$325. I have also attended a Audi CC at Mid Ohio and it cost ~$300 but I had to join the club for $35. I have also driven at Gingerman with CGI Motorsports and it was a 1-day HPDE and it cost $150 (same amount of track time as a 2-day event). You typically get 3 hours per event.

BTW, Some of the clubs will only other car makes at their HPDE (eg. some Porsche clubs will only allow Porsches).

I would first recommend going to http://www.drivingevents.com (go to the calendar) and check out the HPDE in your area. You can also check out the the following car clubs in your region for HPDE:

Porsche - http://www.pca.org
BMW - http://www.bmwcca.org
Audi Quattro - http://www.quattroclubusa.org
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