how do i get a single layer headgasket? or maybe a 2 layer..

 

u buy a stock one, and remove the middle layer to get a 2 layer or remove the top layer and use that by itself if you want a 1 layer.

 

Honda parts dealer. 3 for 1 deal

 

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actually that's more like 2 for 1 deal

i've always been afraid to only run the middle layer, as it doesnt seem like it has those ridges around the cylinders and the coating on it. afraid it might cause sealing issues? have you every tried just the middle SS layer before?

the most i've gone down to was the two outer layers and a coat of copper seal between the two, i;m a wuss

 

you guys have a "how to" .i have a new oem headgasket and i want to raise my compression a bit
and i dont wanna mess it up so i need more details

 

the last time my friend did a single layer, his **** fucked up on him. it was an LOL moment 'cause he was so sure that it'll be safe.

 

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2060010

2nd(and last) post.

 

the proper 2 layer gasket is the bottom layer and the middle layer only.

The top layer is removed. T-Bone Tom Cote confirmed this after johng a road racer asked about why the coolant ports appeared to be so random on the middle layer.

They apparently are closed off in certain areas to divert coolant properly. All of the popular brand name gaskets (Spoon/Mugen) are bottom layer and middle layer.

It will also result in more compression as the middle layer is thinner.

 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RagingAngel &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the proper 2 layer gasket is the bottom layer and the middle layer only.

The top layer is removed. T-Bone Tom Cote confirmed this after johng a road racer asked about why the coolant ports appeared to be so random on the middle layer.

They apparently are closed off in certain areas to divert coolant properly. All of the popular brand name gaskets (Spoon/Mugen) are bottom layer and middle layer.

It will also result in more compression as the middle layer is thinner.</TD></TR></TABLE>

OK which one of you guys is correct?
someone wants to be the tie breaker..


Oh yeah off topic Question
I have a gsr block, gsr head, and i want to put p30 piston with gsr rods and gsr crank in there is there clearence problem with this setup using a single or double layer headgasket?

 

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OK which one of you guys is correct?
someone wants to be the tie breaker..


Oh yeah off topic Question
I have a gsr block, gsr head, and i want to put p30 piston with gsr rods and gsr crank in there is there clearence problem with this setup using a single or double layer headgasket? </TD></TR></TABLE>

I will tie break it for you then...

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1544940

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1532786

More specifically:

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The cool fresh coolant enters the head at at Cy #4 so not to over cool it the hole sizes are small. and gets bigger towards Cyl #1. Its cooling basics.

Edo
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Don't take out the middle! Ask me how I know I was spitting water all over the track, I'd just pit in when I heard the train whistle under my hood.

.....I made it all the way to the track (3.5 hour drive) without any sign of problems, but once there under full throttle for extended periods it would overheat in about 10-15 mins. As stated earlier, that middle layer helps to distrubute the coolant flow.
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YOu can remove the middle layer or the top.. Mugen 2 layer gaskets remove the top layer when they make theirs.. I usually do the same..You can hit it with a very thin layer of copper spray.. I mean thin!!!! but covered.. I have done this at least 10 or more times.. I have also owned several Mugen ones.. I still have one here used if people want to argue about which layer they remove..lol (every time I post that someone comes and tries to say they remove the middle, so I saved one,lol)

BTW the middle layer is thinner then the outer 2, so you will gain more cr by removing the top one. The bottom and top are .010 and the middle is .0085-.009

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Regarding your clearance question... with mild cams there are no problems - unless I missed it, I don't see you referencing what kind of bumpsticks you will be using.

 

THANKS MAN, thanks for sharing the knowledge

 

good luck sloshy, let us know how it goes.

 

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OK ill let you guys know how it all goes hopefully i get all my parts in by then

 

yeah i am not relaly sure which way is the proper way.

i tried this on is the h22, with the middle removed and the copper sprayed between the two layers, and it's been sealing fine for a long time. she has been up the 1/4mi track dozens of times and probably has 30-40 dyno pulls on it, take it for what its worth.

not sure about all that coolant passage talk, because i never paid attention to them on my gasket, nor did it ever occur to me, but i will definitely keep an eye out for this next time i pull my head,

 

So we have the proper making of a 2 layer covered, but what if you want to run a 1 layer? Do u just use the top layer, coat it in copper spray and hope it seals? lol

 

with my ls/vtec i took the stock headgasket apart and just ran the bottom layer didnt spray it with anything just took it apart and put the bottom layer on..i had no problems at all.

 

But why exactly would it be bad to run a single layer ?

Im running one now just the bottom layer on an h22a. And it seems to be sealing fine and the car does not overheat.

Could you please explain that alittle more.