what kind of stuff actually voids the warranty?
so ive heard rims dont void it.. but does installing lowering springs? intake? exhaust? tint?

and does installing fog lights yourself void it?

cause these are things im looking at doing very soon, but i dont want to void warranty..

'na meeean..

help is greatly appreciated.

 

Nothing will void your warranty, it's illegal. They can only deny your warranty claim. Proof of racing, owner neglect or abuse will earn a warranty block on your powertrain. For the dealer to deny your warranty claim, according to the magnusson moss warranty act, the part in question must have caused or contributed to the cause for which warranty work is sought.

 

wow...I didn't know that...

 

what about a hondata reflash?

 

Just ask your dealership. Its your best bet.

 

dealerships are stupid. They will tell you just about anything will void it.

the hondata reflash WILL void your engines warranty because it causes it to run under conditions not specified by the manufacturer. Also, if you ever take it in for work, make sure they don't flash over it if there is ever an update or you are SOL.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Demonis &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the hondata reflash WILL void your engines warranty because it causes it to run under conditions not specified by the manufacturer. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Please stop providing erroneous information!!!

If that were true the same could be said about adding hi flow air intakes, headers, and cat back exhaust or a million other bolt on parts. "The (insert part here) causes it to run under conditions not specified by the manufacturer, therefore you warranty is voided." BULL SHIZNIT

As I have said before, it is illegal to void a warranty,as in it can't be done. The only thing that a dealership can do is deny the claim. Under the law, they must PROVE that the part or parts caused or contributed to the cause for which warranty work is sought.

 

Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M...y_Act

everything you need to know on the subject.

Kidnkorner I'm with you

 

Often people chose the path of least resistence and just lay down when presented a challenge, especially when there is money involved. All I have to say is if you're worry is warranty and what the dealers and manufacturers will say or do, then why mod your car at all?

People add serious stereo systems to their cars without changing the alternator. Wouldn't this cause the electrical system to operate under conditions not intended by the manufacturer?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kidnkorner &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Please stop providing erroneous information!!!

If that were true the same could be said about adding hi flow air intakes, headers, and cat back exhaust or a million other bolt on parts. "The (insert part here) causes it to run under conditions not specified by the manufacturer, therefore you warranty is voided." BULL SHIZNIT

As I have said before, it is illegal to void a warranty,as in it can't be done. The only thing that a dealership can do is deny the claim. Under the law, they must PROVE that the part or parts caused or contributed to the cause for which warranty work is sought.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Actually YOU should stop providing erroneous information.
The ECU is the brain of the car. This isn't an intake that can be made by anyone or even headers or exhaust. Please do your research before opening your mouth. This reflash WILL void your warranty.

Specs:
4500 rpm VTEC point
Rev limiter raised to 8600 rpm.
The K20Z3-06Si reflash lowers the VTEC point to 4500 rpm, advances the cam angle and raises the rev limit to 8600 rpm. &lt;&lt; danger

And let me quote Hondata for you:
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by "Hondata" &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Buyer releases Hondata, Inc. from any liabilities (expressed or implied, arising by law or otherwise) that may occur from the use of products sold by Hondata, Inc. and purchased by Buyer. These products are being sold for "Off Road/Competition Use" only and may be used only on vehicles used solely for "Off Road/Competition". No other applications are intended or implied. The Buyer of this product acknowledges and agrees that Seller disclaims any warranty and expressly disclaims any liability for personal injury or damages or any damages to vehicle or expensed occurred. In the event a manufacturer’s warranty exists, it is agreed and stated that under no circumstances shall the seller or manufacture be liable for any labor charged or travel time incurred in diagnosis for defects, removal, or reinstallation of this product, or any contingent expenses. It is the Buyers responsibility to ensure the ECU flash program is not overwritten by anyone, including Honda, or any agent of Honda (including Honda/Acura dealers). <U>Exceeding the factory rev cut rpm may cause engine damage, which may not be covered by any factory warranty.</U></TD></TR></TABLE>

 

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Actually YOU should stop providing erroneous information.
The ECU is the brain of the car. This isn't an intake that can be made by anyone or even headers or exhaust. Please do your research before opening your mouth. This reflash WILL void your warranty.

Specs:
4500 rpm VTEC point
Rev limiter raised to 8600 rpm.
The K20Z3-06Si reflash lowers the VTEC point to 4500 rpm, advances the cam angle and raises the rev limit to 8600 rpm. &lt;&lt; danger

And let me quote Hondata for you:
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you just got owned by a nooooob kidnkorner

but im going to be totally cerial right now....more so then my quest to tell people about man-bear-pig....hatinknowitalls is a dick bag

 

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you just got owned by a nooooob kidnkorner

but im going to be totally cerial right now....more so then my quest to tell people about man-bear-pig....hatinknowitalls is a dick bag</TD></TR></TABLE>
why? because on most threads he posts he thinks he knows everything yet 90% of them are pretty much useless posts?
Or because he told someone who was telling the truth to shut up and listen to him instead with all his "erroneous" information?
Either way most of you seem to know a little and pretend to know it all (hence my name if you didn't catch my flip)
If you don't know what you're talking about, just be quiet, skip, don't read and most important don't post.

 

Not in the US it wouldn't. Please elaborate why you think it could.

If I brought my car in because I floated a valve because I over revved my engine and they discovered I had the reflash, my warranty couldn't be voided. The claim for which warranty work is sought could be denied, but definitely not voided. There has been 2 customers that come in for scheduled maintenance and oil changes frequently to the dealership in which I work and they both have informed the service advisers that they have reflashes and did their warranties get voided? Not in the slightest

Actually you should dust your knees off now because the simple presence of aftermarket parts alone is not grounds for any manufacturer to void or deny a warranty claim. all companies print disclaimers for their products such as the one you quoted. All hondata's disclaimer says basically says if you use our product you agree to hold us harmless if you fugg up your motor. If i rolled up to a Honda dealer and they discovered that I had a reflash the only thing they could say is that the part that you modified is no longer under warranty, as in the computer. They couldn't void my entire car warranty. You obviously don't know the scope of the law which provides me the right to do any thing to my car that I wish and the manufacturer must PROVE the part or parts caused or contributed to the cause for which warranty work was sought, just as I stated earlier.

Where, in any part, does it say that your warranty on your vehicle will be voided if you use there product? All Hondata really says that they wont be held liable if you use their product and you damage your engine and that you acknowledge the risks involved.

I have 1st hand knowledge, and experience with the magnusson moss warranty act, and took GM to court and won my case back in 2000. At 1st GM simply denied my warranty claims despite several technical bulletins on the LD9 Cavalier Z24 engines being prone to spun rod and crankshaft bearings. Then they put a warranty block on my drive train after they replaced the engine 3 times and I filed for a lemon law claim. The modifications I had done to my car were the MSD DIS2 ignition system, Axle back exhaust, cold air intake, and a RC engineering ported throttle body. None of these parts caused the massive drop in oil pressure, which was the true cause of the bearing failure, thus why GM dropped the production of the twin cam 2.4 LD9 for the 2.2 ECOTEC engine.

Please don't tell me you think I am a know it all, and I don't know what I am talking about. I am an active and avid supporter of the magnusson moss warranty act and semas action network.

BOTTOM LINE: the presence of aftermarket parts alone is not grounds for denying warranty work or voiding a new car warranty. The only time a warranty can be voided is neglect, abuse or proof or racing or competition. Also if you replace a part. Obviously if you install an aftermarket exhaust system and/or catalytic converter this would void the warranty on the part it replaces.

It's quite obvious, to me at least, that you are quite the little douche bag who must create an alternate identity to hide behind and debate the issue instead of using your original user ID.


http://www.sema.org/main/semaorghome.aspx?ID=50096

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act may also be helpful. Under this federal law, you can sue on breach of express and implied warranties. The main point of interest here is that the Act says warranty coverage may not be conditioned upon the use of only the vehicle manufacturer's parts unless the parts are provided free of charge. In other words, use of a non-carmaker product should not void your warranty unless it caused the problem.</TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The Law

Federal law sets forth requirements for warranties and contains a number of provisions to prevent vehicle manufacturers, dealers and others from unjustly denying warranty coverage. With regard to aftermarket parts, the spirit of the law is that warranty coverage cannot be denied simply because such parts are present on the vehicle, or have been used (see Attachment A).The warranty coverage can be denied only if the aftermarket part caused the malfunction or damage for which warranty coverage is sought. Disputes in this area usually boil down to arguments over facts and technical opinions, rather than arguments over interpretations of the law.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Again I say, How is the presence and use of an aftermarket computer program grounds to deny a warranty claim, much less void one?


Modified by Kidnkorner at 12:27 AM 9/27/2007

 

Reflash is not an aftermarket part dumbnuts.
Again, Reading owns you, huh?
A reflash is a modified brain of the car. Even if the engine gets f**ked up, you're still liable for that. Why? the ECU has been modified along w/cam profiles, etc.
Again, do your research before posting.
there have been 3 cars with a reflash that had been denied warranty after they found out they had a reflash and had a blown motor.

 

Reading owns you clown. Hondata isn't the only company offering ways to reflash computers. Their warranty claims were denied because the part caused or contributed to the cause.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hatinknowitalls &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">3 cars with a reflash that had been denied warranty after they found out they had a reflash and had a blown motor.</TD></TR></TABLE>

What constitutes a blown motor, what actually happened? What are the circumstances? Do you have any Links? Did they get the reflash and over rev the motor? Answer your own questions. You are talking about 2 entirely different things. Voiding a new car warranty and denying a warranty claim. I'm quite certain that the modified ECU caused or contributed to the cause for which the warranty work was sought.

You make it seem as if a person gets the reflash that the warranty becomes null and void on the spot which simply isn't the case. The warranty would be null and void on the ECU, which is why I am purchasing a 2nd ECU for my reflash.

 

[QUOTE=You make it seem as if a person gets the reflash that the warranty becomes null and void on the spot which simply isn't the case. The warranty would be null and void on the ECU, which is why I am purchasing a 2nd ECU for my reflash.[/QUOTE]

If you got a second ECU. isnt that illegal? excuse my ignorance but where does all the info for milage and all that tracking go?

also.... in the honda manual it states there is no rev limiter for downshifting... so reflash or not if your doing 90 in 6th gear and downshift to 2nd your **** out of luck either way right? no warranty coverage, driver error? wouldnt every dealer try to say that....

 

good to know

 

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If you got a second ECU. isnt that illegal? excuse my ignorance but where does all the info for milage and all that tracking go?

also.... in the honda manual it states there is no rev limiter for downshifting... so reflash or not if your doing 90 in 6th gear and downshift to 2nd your **** out of luck either way right? no warranty coverage, driver error? wouldnt every dealer try to say that....</TD></TR></TABLE>
You're 100% correct.
That idiot still believes he's right when he's been proven wrong but trying to have an educated argument with a stubborn 5 year old kid gets you nowhere.
You cannot have a second ECU. If you do, you need to get it reprogrammed by Honda which they won't allow it unless there's something wrong with your Original ECU.
To summarize, put a new ECU into your car, everytime you insert the key into the ignition key, the ECU will cut fuel thus your car will never start.
But hey kidnkorner, ignorance is not a virtue. Remember that.

 

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You're 100% correct.
That idiot still believes he's right when he's been proven wrong but trying to have an educated argument with a stubborn 5 year old kid gets you nowhere.
You cannot have a second ECU. If you do, you need to get it reprogrammed by Honda which they won't allow it unless there's something wrong with your Original ECU.
To summarize, put a new ECU into your car, everytime you insert the key into the ignition key, the ECU will cut fuel thus your car will never start.
But hey kidnkorner, ignorance is not a virtue. Remember that.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Im not tryin to get in the middle but i believe your both right. The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act is a great thing if you know how to use it. i thnk alot of people out there get talked out of things cause they let the dealer walk all over them. its all about how you take the situation. personally i think if your going to mod the car to the limits you should be aware of the consiquences, such as having to battle the manufacturer and possibly get in a legal war. hell im guilty of it... i wanna reflash kit but im not financially ready to battle honda and take the chance of loosing. i push my car hard as it is.

also put yourself in hondas shoes... you know they did a few new things to the engine for future upgrades so people are going to mod them... why do you think every other car manufacturer has a better warranty. common 60k powertrain warranty... you know they could easily give you 100k warranty but that would mean more warranty claims they would have to deal with from mods.

 

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Im not tryin to get in the middle but i believe your both right. The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act is a great thing if you know how to use it. i thnk alot of people out there get talked out of things cause they let the dealer walk all over them. its all about how you take the situation. personally i think if your going to mod the car to the limits you should be aware of the consiquences, such as having to battle the manufacturer and possibly get in a legal war. hell im guilty of it... i wanna reflash kit but im not financially ready to battle honda and take the chance of loosing. i push my car hard as it is.

also put yourself in hondas shoes... you know they did a few new things to the engine for future upgrades so people are going to mod them... why do you think every other car manufacturer has a better warranty. common 60k powertrain warranty... you know they could easily give you 100k warranty but that would mean more warranty claims they would have to deal with from mods. </TD></TR></TABLE>
He is right when he says the dealership has to prove something that is aftermarket caused the problem to void your warranty but when he starts giving off misinformation about what he doesn't know, that needs to stop.
All he's been doing is googling stuff. He went as far as to say the reflash is an aftermarket part.
Googling to prove a point.
Actually knowing what you're talking about =

 

i love being a noob....because i pretty much don't know what any of this stuff means

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hatinknowitalls &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Googling to prove a point.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Again what erroneous information have I provided?

Actually, I am a member of the SEMA Action Network. You are the asshat that came in telling people that getting the reflash alone will void the warranty when that is totally wrong when I have facts to back up my statements. Whether they be online or writing on my desk, facts are facts nonetheless. If having 1st hand experience with the magnusson moss warranty act and litigating my case in a court of law is googling facts then so be it.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by proven wrong, I fail to see where if at all I have been proven wrong. Simply replying to this thread in the manner that you did refuting Federal law, and mentioning 2 cases of warranty claims being denied because they had reflashes done doesn't tell anyone here anything at all.

I also am unaware of the ECU issue you are talking about. I plan on keeping my stock ECU and having the new one reflashed. I'm not trying to defraud anyone, nor would I be attempting to misrepresent the actual mileage of the vehicle. So what is it again that's is illegal about a 2nd ECU? I haven't purchased one yet or checked into all of the facts about mileage and whatnot so I'll just leave it at that.

I also have one other thing I wanted to say, A Honda Dealership has no authority to void a warranty, only deny the claim. Only Honda can void the warranty as they are the entity that is providing it. Only under the following is a new car warranty voidable; gross negligence, including omitting scheduled maintenance, racing or competition and abuse.


Modified by Kidnkorner at 11:37 PM 9/27/2007

 

if i ever blew my motor or had something terribly wrong happen to my car id want (kidnkorner) to be with me when i spoke to honda... right or wrong you sound like you know how to work the system

 

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I also am unaware of the ECU issue you are talking about. I plan on keeping my stock ECU and having the new one reflashed. I'm not trying to defraud anyone, nor would I be attempting to misrepresent the actual mileage of the vehicle. So what is it again that's is illegal about a 2nd ECU? I haven't purchased one yet or checked into all of the facts about mileage and whatnot so I'll just leave it at that. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Exactly! You don't know crap about this then don't comment. You're making yourself look bad.
Thew new civics have a digital everything. that connects to the ECU which has the memory of your car. Whether it is miles, maintenance, problems, airflow mass, electrical problems, etc.

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I also have one other thing I wanted to say, A Honda Dealership has no authority to void a warranty, only deny the claim. Only Honda can void the warranty as they are the entity that is providing it. Only under the following is a new car warranty voidable; gross negligence, including omitting scheduled maintenance, racing or competition and abuse.
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No, a dealership can void your warranty and keep records of what car has been denied warranty. Why? aftermarket parts. Once you hydrolock your engine, you're f*cked. Why? they will see a CAI or SIR in there. What does that tell you?
Main fault to it.
If you see a burnt clutch with bad syncs, what does that tell you? abuse. That's a warranty denial.
Honda is the manufacturer of the car.
Another thing in case you didn't know. your ECU saves the last 20 miles of whatever happened after you turn off your car. Hook it up to Honda's computer and they will tell you shift by shift, acceleration by acceleration, every single detail of what you did to your car in the last 20 miles.
If you bring a car with a rod bent caused by downshifting, they don't even have to look at anything in your car, if they find the "reflash", your warranty is voided.
You can call and whine Honda USA corporation all you want, they ask your dealer for documents and the raw ECU data. Then, they will either comply or reverse the verdict.
If you purposely eliminate the raw data by disconnecting your battery, then your claim fails to be re-examined.
I really hope you don't work for SEMA because you have NO IDea what you're talking about.
Next time, you'll tell me HID PNP kits are legal.

 

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Exactly! You don't know crap about this then don't comment. You're making yourself look bad.
Thew new civics have a digital everything. that connects to the ECU which has the memory of your car. Whether it is miles, maintenance, problems, airflow mass, electrical problems, etc.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I made a statement on what I<U></U> was doing. It wasn't a recommendation to anyone else. There is no harm or foul in telling people what I was doing.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hatinknowitalls &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No, a dealership can void your warranty</TD></TR></TABLE>

Once again I think you are failing to see the difference in denying a warranty claim and voiding a warranty. Actually the dealership informs the zone rep and he/she has the authority. How can a dealership void a warranty it didn't issue?

How many more times do I have to say that the presence of aftermarket parts or modifications alone is not ground for denying or voiding a warranty?

Nowhere did I say that if you get a reflash and damage your engine as a result will you be covered under warranty.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hatinknowitalls &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you bring a car with a rod bent caused by downshifting, they don't even have to look at anything in your car, if they find the "reflash", your warranty is voided.
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Just wow. Not only have I said it, I have quoted the magnusson Moss Warranty act stating the dealer must prove the part must have caused or contributed to the cause for which the claim is sought. Let's just say they did in fact determine the damage was caused by the modified ECU, even then the warranty won't be voided, just the claim will be denied. You said it yourself that they have to prove. You yourself confirmed that, but I didn't say void.

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He is right when he says the dealership has to prove something that is aftermarket caused the problem to void your warranty </TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hatinknowitalls &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I really hope you don't work for SEMA because you have NO IDea what you're talking about.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Where did I say I worked for SEMA? I work at a Honda dealership.


Modified by Kidnkorner at 9:18 AM 9/28/2007