So I am torn between the three:

Ground control coilovers (With koni yellows and Ground control upper mounts): About...$1,100

Function & Form full coilovers with swift spring upgrade: About$1,100

Or

P.I.C Full coilovers: About $1,100

I am looking for a Great suspension set up for both street and track. Harsh street ride does not bother me. As long as it lasts a long time and performs/handles well.
Any thaughts?

 

I'd go with Ground Control over any of those others

 

http://www.hondamarketplace.com/zerothread/2028746

they are the gc and koni. i would go with them and they are around $900 shipped with top hats.

 

function&form

 

haven riden in or driven all three setups, I went with the PICs.
they are awesome on the track and ride well on the street.
not to mention the customer service gets nothing less than A+ from me. (and any one on here that has posted about them)

 

if you plan on gettng gorund controls with something other than OTS rates mated to konis, you'd prolly have to get the shocks revalved. and that will definitely cost more than 900bucks even wit top hats.

id go with PIC's or so since their shocks r valved accordingly to their spring rates.

 

Function & Form full coilovers

But you should look up D2 CoilOvers

 

LOL so it's pretty even.
Sounds like all three are good.
It looks like the PIC's are made for racing (which is good). Are the Function and Form made for racing?

 

what do OTS rates mean?

 

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off the shelf rates

 

AMR engineering suspension here...its the ****!

 

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Nope, OTS Koni Sport shocks can handle up to around 500-550 lb/in springs just fine.

I ran 380/450 F/R spring rates on my Konis for about a year, no problems. It's been a couple of years since I sold the GC's, but I'm still on the same Koni shocks with 150,000+ miles on them.

 

PIC

 

okay... seriously.. this is why i hate these Brand A/B/C/D/E/etc threads

cause:

People go: "BRAND Y!!!! IS THE **** YO!"

okay.. so they are the ****..

and?

what?

WHAT ELSE ARE THEY???

enlighten me...

tell me why they are the ****...

and "ITS THE **** YO!! CAUSE ITS THE ****!!!"

does not count.

Here is some good examples of what else to say about the coilovers you supposedly bought:

how do you use them? Track/Auto-X/Strip/Drag/Street/Daily?

do they ride well?

What kind of roads do you drive on with them? Nice and smooth refinished LIE(I495) or Southern State Parkway rough? or Michigan pothole rough?

What ride height do you set it at? Inches? Finger gap? etc...

where did you buy it?

how fast was the shipment?

what was the price?


SAYING "BRAND X" IS THE **** IS LIKE SAYING "yo, my number is - YELLOW BOOK BITCH!!!"

WTF?!

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based on what i've read, koni yellows/sport can go up to 500lbs/f if its a street with light track.. that is all you need... someone correct me if i'm wrong on the rate limit..

pic great customer service, i see posts every time i come here saying how they loved buying from the guy.

F2 - They have only been out for about a year.... and nobody has said they have blown yet, a good thing.. unlike k-sport and d2

 

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Wait, a user that wants an educated answer?
Are you sure you’re on the right forum? lol

from my experiences
(disclaimer: these ride issues may be due to individual setups or an individual bad product)

GC/koni (I don’t remember the rates, OTS of some kind) - harsh on the street, the rebound from a decent bump is a little fast, resulting in a sort of hiccup feeling over a sweeping bump. I never tracked this setup

Function & Form - on the street they were a little firm but not overly, good damping, all though it was a little on the firm side in compression compared to rebound. On the track the car was tail happy all the time, we couldn't get the car balanced no matter what we tried. We tried my PIC P2s on his car, he said it was much more predictable in the corners especially over a rough part of the track. He ordered a set of PIC R3s when he got home and loves them.

PIC (mine-Select P2(10k/8k) demo at shop-R3(12k/14k) car from above R3(12k/14k) – opinion... if the above story doesn’t sell them, I love mine. The ride on the street is firm but not nearly as aggressive as the springs should be. On the track is where they really shine, I could go on and on but I'll leave it at that.

side note about PIC’s customer service. One of my coilovers was showing signs of minor corrosion after an off on the track, not a big deal. After a casual shop visit it was mentioned that I should email PIC about it. Their response was a simple, when could we swap it out for a new set?
No questions, no run around, no hassles. I’m local to PIC so Jim met me at a shop of my choice, with the parts in hand, and helped swap them out him self. He even took the extra time to help me get my car setup a little better than it was. I doubt many coilover manufacturer’s would ever even think of doing that.

 

Seriously considering replacing my Tein HAs with PIC's after the customer service raves on this forum.

 

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Wait, a user that wants an educated answer?
Are you sure you’re on the right forum? lol

from my experiences
(disclaimer: these ride issues may be due to individual setups or an individual bad product)

GC/koni (I don’t remember the rates, OTS of some kind) - harsh on the street, the rebound from a decent bump is a little fast, resulting in a sort of hiccup feeling over a sweeping bump. I never tracked this setup

Function & Form - on the street they were a little firm but not overly, good damping, all though it was a little on the firm side in compression compared to rebound. On the track the car was tail happy all the time, we couldn't get the car balanced no matter what we tried. We tried my PIC P2s on his car, he said it was much more predictable in the corners especially over a rough part of the track. He ordered a set of PIC R3s when he got home and loves them.

PIC (mine-Select P2(10k/8k) demo at shop-R3(12k/14k) car from above R3(12k/14k) – opinion... if the above story doesn’t sell them, I love mine. The ride on the street is firm but not nearly as aggressive as the springs should be. On the track is where they really shine, I could go on and on but I'll leave it at that.

side note about PIC’s customer service. One of my coilovers was showing signs of minor corrosion after an off on the track, not a big deal. After a casual shop visit it was mentioned that I should email PIC about it. Their response was a simple, when could we swap it out for a new set?
No questions, no run around, no hassles. I’m local to PIC so Jim met me at a shop of my choice, with the parts in hand, and helped swap them out him self. He even took the extra time to help me get my car setup a little better than it was. I doubt many coilover manufacturer’s would ever even think of doing that. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I agree, I've had the FF and ended up with PIC's on my EG. The PIC (Select P2 for me) are very predictable around corners. They ride very well on the street too... can even eat a hard bump damn well.

For those of you that are familiar with the east bound 60 fwy just east of the east LA interchange, (Los Angeles) there is a mean *** step/bump in the #1 lane (~ 3" rise over 2' distance)... I can hit it at full fwy speed and not bounce around. They stay very much in control.

Sadly I'm getting rid of the EG, so I am selling them Thank god I have a set of R3's on my CRX to keep me happy

 

okay so those with the PIC Select P2s...

Do you run them at the softest setting on the street? and then raise the harshness for the track?

 

I ran mine around 3 from softest in the rear and 4 in the front. on the street, then turn them to stiffer settings on the track.

 

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Do you run them at the softest setting on the street? and then raise the harshness for the track?

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depends on the roads that I'd be driving.
I drive them at 3F/2R for a while with no complaints at all, but the roads got worse so I dropped it down to 2F/1R, plus but I'm getting old.
track I run 6-8F/7-8R depending on the track.

 

okay.. thats good..

i guess i'll go and get a set of selects..

in the 10/8k form..

thing is how often do you wipe the threads with wd-40?

i'm in LI, ny area..

our winters.. if it snows or freezing rain... is salty, wet, and nasty..

when i went to school upstate.. if it snowed.. nothing really melted.. or just quickly froze again.... so it was this weird snow and ice.. but it was dry.. cause everything was frozen..

but now back in LI, its wet and salty..

as a student.. i dunno if i'll have that much time to take care of the threads... cause my classes go late into the night...

 

I grew up on LI, drove my GSR with our very first set of Selects through the winter of 2004, which iirc was pretty terrible.

I didn't apply wd-40 to the threads, it attracts debris. But when I had the chance, I would hose down the shocks to rid them of any debris. Actually, the only time you should be concerned about debris build up on threads is during adjustment, and when you're adjusting the suspension you'll more than likely be removing the wheel and have full access to the shocks anyways. In those cases, I usually spray the shocks with some air from the compressor, that will get most of the stuff off.

 

pic selects FTW, the ITR guys seem to love em so far.

 

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you just don't read the the treads do you...

 

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you just don't read the the treads do you... </TD></TR></TABLE>

"the the" ?? "treads" ????

you just don't know proper grammer and spelling don't you...