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Re: tires (integlover)
Second question first...
The normal pressure is shown in your owner's manual and also on a placard on your car, on the door jamb or the door of the glove compartment. This is the pressure recommended by the car's manufacturer, and is the best place to start. Measure and adjust your pressure "cold", meaning that the car has been sitting in the shade (or in a garage) for several hours at the same temperature as the outdoors. As you use your car with that pressure, you may find it necessary to vary from that recommended pressure, due to tire wear patterns, preference for handling or ride comfort, etc; in doing so, adjust the pressure in 2 psi increments.
There is no single "best" at everything.
The best tires for racing are track tires, but those don't last very long in daily driving. And even there, there are different kinds of tires, with tires made specifically for racetracks, others for autocross, still others for the dragstrip.
The best tires for daily driving last longer but aren't as good for racing. And even within the "daily driving" category, you have a lot of variations based on needs and personal preferences. Some tires are better for dry roads, other tires are better in rain, you sometimes have a trade-off between performance and value (purchase price and/or treadlife), etc. And people who need to use the same tires in occasional snow in the winter as well as in moderate to warm temperatures the rest of the year need to get all-season tires, which aren't as good as winter tires in the winter, and aren't as good as summer tires the rest of the year.
Here's what it says in the FAQ stickied at the top of the Wheels and Tires Forum:
Answer those questions and we can recommend something appropriate to your needs.
Roughly 90 percent of the time, people fall into one of the following three categories:
a. People who want the maximum traction on dry pavement, and don't care about anything else. These are usually people who sometimes use their street tires in autocross or on the racetrack or in brisk drives on curvy roads. The best tire for such folks IMHO is usually the Falken Azenis RT-615, which is available in Integra sizes of 195/60-14, 205/50-15, 215/45-16, and 205/40-17, depending on your wheel size. These tires don't last all that long - treadlife of 10-12K miles is typical - and they are only so-so in rain. But if you only care about dry grip, they're the bomb.
b. People who want good traction on dry pavement, but also want good traction in rain and also care about value (purchase price and/or treadlife), and who DON'T use these tires in snow (either it doesn't snow where they live, or they have separate tires or another vehicle for winter conditions). These are usually people who use their tires for everyday driving. The tires I most often recommend for these folks are the Kumho SPT and the Avon Tech M500, which are available in Integra sizes of 195/55-15, 205/50-15, 205/45-16, and 205/40-17. I recommend the Yokohama ES100 in 195/60-14 for those with 14" wheels. All of these tires have very good grip on dry pavement, are excellent in rain, and last a reasonably long time (25-40K miles).
c. People who need to use the same tires in snow during the winter as well as in moderate to warm temperatures the rest of the year. These folks need all-season tires, which are a compromise; they have the flexibility to be used in a wider range of weather, but they're not as good in winter as true winter tires and they're not as good the rest of the year as summer tires such as those mentioned above. For these folks, I recommend the Kumho ASX in 195/55-15, 205/50-15, 205/45-16, and 205/40-17. For those with 14" wheels, I recommend the Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position in 195/60-14.
All of these tires are reasonably priced, and are the best you can get for your money in each of these categories, IMHO. You can get them shipped from places like Tire Rack, Discount Tire (whose higher prices are offset by free shipping), and Vulcan Tire.
I rarely recommend BFG tires. In general, they are overpriced; in almost every category, with some other brand you can get better tires for a similar price, or similar tires for a much lower price. But you really need to decide on a specific model of tire. Most tire companies make some tires that are very good, and some tires that are not. One person might have one set of priorities and choose one brand and model, a different person might have a different set of priorities (or a different car, or a different size wheel) and choose a different brand and model. You won't get the best value in every situation if you only limit yourself to a single brand of tires.
WRONG. The sidewall only shows the maximum pressure that the tire is capable of handling. This is NOT a recommended pressure and should not be used that way. This is always MUCH higher than where you should be setting your pressures.
Disclaimer: I don't work for any tire manufacturer or retailer, and have no personal stake in what tires anyone buys.
Originally Posted by integlover
what is the normal tire pressure for a car? 
Originally Posted by integlover
what is the best tire for racing and daily drive?
The best tires for racing are track tires, but those don't last very long in daily driving. And even there, there are different kinds of tires, with tires made specifically for racetracks, others for autocross, still others for the dragstrip.
The best tires for daily driving last longer but aren't as good for racing. And even within the "daily driving" category, you have a lot of variations based on needs and personal preferences. Some tires are better for dry roads, other tires are better in rain, you sometimes have a trade-off between performance and value (purchase price and/or treadlife), etc. And people who need to use the same tires in occasional snow in the winter as well as in moderate to warm temperatures the rest of the year need to get all-season tires, which aren't as good as winter tires in the winter, and aren't as good as summer tires the rest of the year.
Here's what it says in the FAQ stickied at the top of the Wheels and Tires Forum:
Originally Posted by Forum Rules and FAQ - READ BEFORE POSTING
Which tires should I get?
This depends on what you're looking to get out of the tire. Make a new topic and tell us what you intend to use it for. In that topic, make sure to answer the following questions:
- What kind of car you have (year, model, version)
- What size wheels you have
- How the tires will be used (daily driving, autocross/track/dragstrip)
- What kind of weather the tires will be used in (dry, rain, snow)
This depends on what you're looking to get out of the tire. Make a new topic and tell us what you intend to use it for. In that topic, make sure to answer the following questions:
- What kind of car you have (year, model, version)
- What size wheels you have
- How the tires will be used (daily driving, autocross/track/dragstrip)
- What kind of weather the tires will be used in (dry, rain, snow)
Roughly 90 percent of the time, people fall into one of the following three categories:
a. People who want the maximum traction on dry pavement, and don't care about anything else. These are usually people who sometimes use their street tires in autocross or on the racetrack or in brisk drives on curvy roads. The best tire for such folks IMHO is usually the Falken Azenis RT-615, which is available in Integra sizes of 195/60-14, 205/50-15, 215/45-16, and 205/40-17, depending on your wheel size. These tires don't last all that long - treadlife of 10-12K miles is typical - and they are only so-so in rain. But if you only care about dry grip, they're the bomb.
b. People who want good traction on dry pavement, but also want good traction in rain and also care about value (purchase price and/or treadlife), and who DON'T use these tires in snow (either it doesn't snow where they live, or they have separate tires or another vehicle for winter conditions). These are usually people who use their tires for everyday driving. The tires I most often recommend for these folks are the Kumho SPT and the Avon Tech M500, which are available in Integra sizes of 195/55-15, 205/50-15, 205/45-16, and 205/40-17. I recommend the Yokohama ES100 in 195/60-14 for those with 14" wheels. All of these tires have very good grip on dry pavement, are excellent in rain, and last a reasonably long time (25-40K miles).
c. People who need to use the same tires in snow during the winter as well as in moderate to warm temperatures the rest of the year. These folks need all-season tires, which are a compromise; they have the flexibility to be used in a wider range of weather, but they're not as good in winter as true winter tires and they're not as good the rest of the year as summer tires such as those mentioned above. For these folks, I recommend the Kumho ASX in 195/55-15, 205/50-15, 205/45-16, and 205/40-17. For those with 14" wheels, I recommend the Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position in 195/60-14.
All of these tires are reasonably priced, and are the best you can get for your money in each of these categories, IMHO. You can get them shipped from places like Tire Rack, Discount Tire (whose higher prices are offset by free shipping), and Vulcan Tire.
Originally Posted by DAmnquickDA
id go with anything BFG. they make alot of great tires for decent prices and they stick.
Originally Posted by ac_attak
The recommended tire pressure ranges should be written on the sidewall of the tire.
Disclaimer: I don't work for any tire manufacturer or retailer, and have no personal stake in what tires anyone buys.
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Re: tires (nsxtasy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I rarely recommend BFG tires. But you really need to decide on a specific model of tire. Most tire companies make some tires that are very good, and some tires that are not. One person might have one set of priorities and choose one brand and model, a different person might have a different set of priorities (or a different car, or a different size wheel) and choose a different brand and model. You won't get the best value in every situation if you only limit yourself to a single brand of tires.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I agree you should never limit yourself to one brand... I have used Sumitomo, BFG, and Bridgestone (current setup
). However, I have had nothing but good experiences with the BFGs i have used (T/A KDW's and Drag radials.) I have a friend (yes, everyone has a "friend"... but for real) who has 225 BFG drag radials on the front of his 410 whp EG and they hold VERY well - much better than i expected for 400+ whp. Anyway, my next set of tires is actually going to be the Avons you mentioned 
I rarely recommend BFG tires. But you really need to decide on a specific model of tire. Most tire companies make some tires that are very good, and some tires that are not. One person might have one set of priorities and choose one brand and model, a different person might have a different set of priorities (or a different car, or a different size wheel) and choose a different brand and model. You won't get the best value in every situation if you only limit yourself to a single brand of tires.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I agree you should never limit yourself to one brand... I have used Sumitomo, BFG, and Bridgestone (current setup
). However, I have had nothing but good experiences with the BFGs i have used (T/A KDW's and Drag radials.) I have a friend (yes, everyone has a "friend"... but for real) who has 225 BFG drag radials on the front of his 410 whp EG and they hold VERY well - much better than i expected for 400+ whp. Anyway, my next set of tires is actually going to be the Avons you mentioned
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Re: tires (DAmnquickDA)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DAmnquickDA »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I agree you should never limit yourself to one brand... I have used Sumitomo, BFG, and Bridgestone (current setup ). However, I have had nothing but good experiences with the BFGs i have used (T/A KDW's and Drag radials.) I have a friend (yes, everyone has a "friend"... but for real) who has 225 BFG drag radials on the front of his 410 whp EG and they hold VERY well - much better than i expected for 400+ whp. Anyway, my next set of tires is actually going to be the Avons you mentioned </TD></TR></TABLE>
Oops, you're right about the drag radials. I'm not all that familiar with drag radials, but I'm pretty sure there are only a few companies that make them (BFG, Nitto, M&H?). The BFG's are easy to find (e.g. Tire Rack) and seem to be as good as anybody's.
The KDW is a good tire but it's too expensive; for a lot less money you can get the Kumho SPT or Avon Tech M500, which are pretty similar, or for the same money you can get the Goodyear F1 GS-D3, which is a lot better.
Tire Rack has been showing some of the sizes of the Avon Tech M500 as "closeouts", so you may want to keep an eye on their website and pick up what you want before they're gone.
). However, I have had nothing but good experiences with the BFGs i have used (T/A KDW's and Drag radials.) I have a friend (yes, everyone has a "friend"... but for real) who has 225 BFG drag radials on the front of his 410 whp EG and they hold VERY well - much better than i expected for 400+ whp. Anyway, my next set of tires is actually going to be the Avons you mentioned </TD></TR></TABLE>Oops, you're right about the drag radials. I'm not all that familiar with drag radials, but I'm pretty sure there are only a few companies that make them (BFG, Nitto, M&H?). The BFG's are easy to find (e.g. Tire Rack) and seem to be as good as anybody's.
The KDW is a good tire but it's too expensive; for a lot less money you can get the Kumho SPT or Avon Tech M500, which are pretty similar, or for the same money you can get the Goodyear F1 GS-D3, which is a lot better.
Tire Rack has been showing some of the sizes of the Avon Tech M500 as "closeouts", so you may want to keep an eye on their website and pick up what you want before they're gone.
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Re: tires (nsxtasy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Tire Rack has been showing some of the sizes of the Avon Tech M500 as "closeouts", so you may want to keep an eye on their website and pick up what you want before they're gone.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thanks for the heads up... im one broke *** college kid right now, so im waiting til the money is there.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Oops, you're right about the drag radials. I'm not all that familiar with drag radials, but I'm pretty sure there are only a few companies that make them (BFG, Nitto, M&H?). The BFG's are easy to find (e.g. Tire Rack) and seem to be as good as anybody's.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yea i have heard not so good things about the Nitto 555R drag radials and since BFGs have worked in that category for me, i recommend them... plus you can find them relatively cheap.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The KDW is a good tire but it's too expensive; for a lot less money you can get the Kumho SPT or Avon Tech M500, which are pretty similar, or for the same money you can get the Goodyear F1 GS-D3, which is a lot better.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Agreed... thats why the Avon's are next in line. Havent tried the Goodyear's yet. Maybe those will be next
Thanks for the heads up... im one broke *** college kid right now, so im waiting til the money is there.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Oops, you're right about the drag radials. I'm not all that familiar with drag radials, but I'm pretty sure there are only a few companies that make them (BFG, Nitto, M&H?). The BFG's are easy to find (e.g. Tire Rack) and seem to be as good as anybody's.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yea i have heard not so good things about the Nitto 555R drag radials and since BFGs have worked in that category for me, i recommend them... plus you can find them relatively cheap.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The KDW is a good tire but it's too expensive; for a lot less money you can get the Kumho SPT or Avon Tech M500, which are pretty similar, or for the same money you can get the Goodyear F1 GS-D3, which is a lot better.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Agreed... thats why the Avon's are next in line. Havent tried the Goodyear's yet. Maybe those will be next
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Re: tires (DAmnquickDA)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DAmnquickDA »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Agreed... thats why the Avon's are next in line. Havent tried the Goodyear's yet. Maybe those will be next </TD></TR></TABLE>
The F1 GS-D3 is Goodyear's top of the line summer tire, and won the Car and Driver comparison test. However, it has two significant downsides: (1) it's expensive, and (2) it doesn't come in sizes smaller than 16" that fit Integras (the only 15" size is 195/50-15, which is for older Civics). It's a great tire, though, and if you've got 16" wheels, it's worth considering, if purchase price isn't an important factor for you.
</TD></TR></TABLE>The F1 GS-D3 is Goodyear's top of the line summer tire, and won the Car and Driver comparison test. However, it has two significant downsides: (1) it's expensive, and (2) it doesn't come in sizes smaller than 16" that fit Integras (the only 15" size is 195/50-15, which is for older Civics). It's a great tire, though, and if you've got 16" wheels, it's worth considering, if purchase price isn't an important factor for you.
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Re: tires (DAmnquickDA)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
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HA!!!!!
Disclaimer: I don't work for any tire manufacturer or retailer, and have no personal stake in what tires anyone buys.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ac_attak »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So what is the ideal tire pressure to run with a 16" tire(205/45) for daily driving?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Not trying to be mean, but did you read any of the above before you asked this? Someone up there took alot of time to answer this along with other questions. I hate it when people say "search" on this instead of giving a simple answer. But man, scroll down a bit it's right there.
Not trying to be mean, but did you read any of the above before you asked this? Someone up there took alot of time to answer this along with other questions. I hate it when people say "search" on this instead of giving a simple answer. But man, scroll down a bit it's right there.
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Re: tires (ac_attak)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ac_attak »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The pressure recommended by Honda is based on the factory wheels/tires. I would assume it would be different for different sized tires..</TD></TR></TABLE>
and balanced for the specific car, it may vary by 2 or 3 psi unless your running like 19"s, which is silly.
and balanced for the specific car, it may vary by 2 or 3 psi unless your running like 19"s, which is silly.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SleeperGSR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why would it be different for daily driving?
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I don't know the technical reason, but i do know that lots of people adjust their tire pressure when they go to the drags and autox. I have never looked into it because i don't drag or autox my car. But if you really want to know then i am sure you could google it and find out pretty quick.
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I don't know the technical reason, but i do know that lots of people adjust their tire pressure when they go to the drags and autox. I have never looked into it because i don't drag or autox my car. But if you really want to know then i am sure you could google it and find out pretty quick.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ac_attak »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The pressure recommended by Honda is based on the factory wheels/tires. I would assume it would be different for different sized tires..</TD></TR></TABLE>
Nope. The recommended pressure is still the best place to start for street driving, even if your wheels/tires are a different size from stock. You can still adjust from there as needed, but that's the best place to try out.
Nope. The recommended pressure is still the best place to start for street driving, even if your wheels/tires are a different size from stock. You can still adjust from there as needed, but that's the best place to try out.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ac_attak »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The pressure recommended by Honda is based on the factory wheels/tires. I would assume it would be different for different sized tires.</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SleeperGSR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why would it be different for daily driving?</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ac_attak »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I don't know the technical reason, but i do know that lots of people adjust their tire pressure when they go to the drags and autox. I have never looked into it because i don't drag or autox my car. But if you really want to know then i am sure you could google it and find out pretty quick.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I didn't have a question about tire pressure. I was asking you why you would adjust tire pressure for daily that would differ from the recomended. The only reason would be to get more performance out of your tire and help the car adjust to your driving style. Since you don't know why to adjust the tire pressure, def stick to the recomended tire pressure and you will be all set
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SleeperGSR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why would it be different for daily driving?</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ac_attak »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I don't know the technical reason, but i do know that lots of people adjust their tire pressure when they go to the drags and autox. I have never looked into it because i don't drag or autox my car. But if you really want to know then i am sure you could google it and find out pretty quick.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I didn't have a question about tire pressure. I was asking you why you would adjust tire pressure for daily that would differ from the recomended. The only reason would be to get more performance out of your tire and help the car adjust to your driving style. Since you don't know why to adjust the tire pressure, def stick to the recomended tire pressure and you will be all set
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I didn't have a question about tire pressure. I was asking you why you would adjust tire pressure for daily that would differ from the recomended.</TD></TR></TABLE>
OK.. I already answered that though. I said i assume the tire pressure would be a little different where i dont have factory sized wheels/tires on my car. I also read this somewhere. So i was just asking what people would recommend for tire pressure for size 205/45/16. Why don't you just answer the question?
I ended up putting 35psi in the front and 33psi in the back, its good enough for me.
I didn't have a question about tire pressure. I was asking you why you would adjust tire pressure for daily that would differ from the recomended.</TD></TR></TABLE>
OK.. I already answered that though. I said i assume the tire pressure would be a little different where i dont have factory sized wheels/tires on my car. I also read this somewhere. So i was just asking what people would recommend for tire pressure for size 205/45/16. Why don't you just answer the question?
I ended up putting 35psi in the front and 33psi in the back, its good enough for me.
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You still want to use the recomended tire pressure from honda. If you have different rims that wont matter. If you don't know why you adjust tire pressure, why are you running a pressure differnt than recomended? someone took alot of time to explain tire and tire pressure in this thread, if you can't scroll around to find the answer to your question don't yell at me. Just tryin to help
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SleeperGSR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You still want to use the recomended tire pressure from honda. If you have different rims that wont matter. If you don't know why you adjust tire pressure, why are you running a pressure differnt than recomended? someone took alot of time to explain tire and tire pressure in this thread, if you can't scroll around to find the answer to your question don't yell at me. Just tryin to help</TD></TR></TABLE>
nsxtacy always posts solid facts and after any question threadl ike this gets a visit from him its over: anyway my .02
youd lower tire pressure for the drag to get a bigger contact patch and more traction. you may increse tire pressure for DD which will reduce tire contact with the pavement, making less resistance and thus a slightly incresed fuel economy, but that may be counteracted by increse tire wear. generally the recomended pressure works, if you want to vary by 1 or 2 psi you can see what give you the best performance and economy for your car and do whatever you want with it.
nsxtacy always posts solid facts and after any question threadl ike this gets a visit from him its over: anyway my .02
youd lower tire pressure for the drag to get a bigger contact patch and more traction. you may increse tire pressure for DD which will reduce tire contact with the pavement, making less resistance and thus a slightly incresed fuel economy, but that may be counteracted by increse tire wear. generally the recomended pressure works, if you want to vary by 1 or 2 psi you can see what give you the best performance and economy for your car and do whatever you want with it.
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Dude, #1 - i never yelled at you. I would have used CAPS LOCK if i wanted it to seem that i was yelling at you. #2 - i am running the pressure recommended by honda. Its says so right on the sticker on my door jam.
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