hi.
i had a b20, and i moved to a better block imo
i had a spare b18c , and wanted to send the block to theu.s to jeff, to have it resleeved..

he told me that here in greece he hasa dealer that had installed the sleeves before, and could guarantee the proper install etc etc
the guys have used the sleeves before in other cars with no problems till now...

anyway
i received the block like this...




the installer said there is no problem, that the headgasket will seal, that the sleeves dont need to touch each other etch etch...
its just on those 2 cyl.. the rest are fine..
he said that it JUST came out like this...

any expreriences, opininons thoughts??
i am a little scared..
and for.. 1100 euro..
thats about 1400 bucks us
i d better buy a dart...

but tell me what you think ..

P.S I emailed jeff , but i received no reply. so i figured maybe someone has some experience on the subject



Modified by ef9_b16a1 at 10:03 AM 7/12/2007

 

i would not be concerned about the head sealing, i would be more concerned as to will the pistons move in line with each other.

 

return that now. that is ridiculous.

they installed those things offset at some kind of angle to get that gap in there. that means that they're being pushed by each other in the wrong direction now, they're gonna move and possibly lift out. horrible work.

 

make them resleeve it!! do not use that block

 

that looks like ****. the sleeve will flex to much

 

That's what happened to Benson sleeves on a car we tuned. It still made 513whp and had no issues with the head gasket sealing. The centerline was unaffected. Car is still running with no known issues. Though if it were me. I would have expected more from a new sleeving job

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ef9_b16a1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hi.
i had a b20, and i moved to a beter block imo
i had a b18c , and wanted to send the block to us to jeff, to have it sleeved..

he told me that in greece he had a dealer That had installed the sleeves before, and could guarantee the proper install etc etc
the guys have used the sleeves before in other cars with no problems till now...

anyway
i received the block like this...




the installer said there is no problem, that the headgasket will seal, that the sleeves dont need to touch each other etch etch...
its just on those 2 cyl.. the rest are fine..
he said that it JUST came out like this...

any expreriences, opininons thoughts??
i am a little scared..
and for.. 1100 euro..
thats about 1400 bucks us
i d better buy a dart...

but tell me what you think , because i think i ll first buy a dart BASEBALL BAT


P.S I emailed jeff , but i received no reply. so i figured maybe someone has some experience on the subject</TD></TR></TABLE>
send it back i have seen many problems with blocks like that, i cant believe they sent it to you like that

 

guys thanx for the info and replies...
since they insist there will be NO problem as it is..
tell me some pursuasive FACTS why this sucks, so i wont look ridiculoys..

they said that since they bored and honed the **** , there will be no misalignment issues etch etch

''hey installed those things offset at some kind of angle to get that gap in there. that means that they're being pushed by each other in the wrong direction now, they're gonna move and possibly lift out. horrible work.''

thats a good starting point

user golden eagle, could you tell me what problems should i expect??
sleeve lifting?

DAMN...


yeah yeah blah blah
resleeve it here... same quality and ****...
its a miracle what usps can do... usa to greece and vise versa in 10 days....


I HATE IT.. that jeff hasnt replied to my mail yet...

p.s
can he even resleeve the block now??
i mean... can he still use the same block and sleeves?
thanx again



Modified by ef9_b16a1 at 11:43 AM 7/12/2007

 

i seen a block just like that on here that the late earl said it was fine, that there would be no problem. the customer put it together and ran it, never sealed; sleeves shifted. customer ended up having to pull it back out and take it apart and send it somewhere to be resleeved, i have never seen one that looked like that hold they have always give out

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Golden Eagle &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i seen a block just like that on here that the late earl said it was fine, that there would be no problem. the customer put it together and ran it, never sealed; sleeves shifted. customer ended up having to pull it back out and take it apart and send it somewhere to be resleeved, i have never seen one that looked like that hold they have always give out </TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by alpha &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That's what happened to Benson sleeves on a car we tuned. It still made 513whp and had no issues with the head gasket sealing. The centerline was unaffected. Car is still running with no known issues. Though if it were me. I would have expected more from a new sleeving job</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

I didnt say I trusted it though He is actually having Golden Eagle Mfg. resleeve a spare block here in the near future

 

yeah but the ones im talking about did have a problem and did not seal and the sleeves shifted more and more i would post a link to it but earl deleted anything bad about Benson

 

That is not acceptable. Sleeves will and do move.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mar778c &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That is not acceptable. Sleeves will and do move. </TD></TR></TABLE>
i don't know what sleeves you use, but our sleeves never move. if a sleeve moves it will not seal.

 

so, basically its a mater of time....

i really trust what you say, since you SLEEVE BLOCKS... succesfully by the way...

i ll go by the shop tomorrow again , for another round of -I AM RIGHT -U R WRONG chat
i ll even show them the link here..
in this PARTICULAR.. case maybe a block guard would help keep things in their place.. ? what do u think

also... i didnt get it..
CAN he reuse the same sleeve... ?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ef9_b16a1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so, basically its a mater of time....

i really trust what you say, since you SLEEVE BLOCKS... succesfully by the way...

i ll go by the shop tomorrow again , for another round of -I AM RIGHT -U R WRONG chat
i ll even show them the link here..
in this PARTICULAR.. cae maybe a block guard would help keep things in their place.. ? what do u think
</TD></TR></TABLE> yeah maybe a block guard would help if there was no gap, but you should not have to run a block guard when you sleeve a block, this is why we stooped doing our econo sleeves, because they were not as good and we wanted to get the best sleeve we could to our customers

 

right..
i should have bought a b18 core , resleeve it there, and have it sent to greece, my bad
for trusting greek machinists..

my question still remains..
can he CORRECT the problem.. if he removes the sleeve and install it again ?


Modified by ef9_b16a1 at 11:43 AM 7/12/2007

 

The flats on the sleeves are machined for a specific centerline distance from one cylinder to another. Assumeing IB did that and the sleeves are that rotated, then there is excess pressure at the contact point where their isn't a gap that will make the bore distort. When the sleeve tries to correctly align itself during multiple heat cycles from running it will make the bore out of round and the deck surface will probably no longer be flat since it was machined in this state.
The shop shop be able to remove and re-install new sleeves (the current sleeves are finish honed and would be out of round with no material to correct it) in proper alignment.
We would never send out a block we sleeved like that. You should be able to resolve this with the shop and I hope this info helps.

 

thanx for the reply..
still NO answer to my mails from ib

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ef9_b16a1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thanx for the reply..
still NO answer to my mails from ib
</TD></TR></TABLE> pm sent to you

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ef9_b16a1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thanx for the reply..
still NO answer to my mails from ib
</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not at all shocking that IB isn't replying. If you paid via CreditCard you may be able to dispute the charges until the item is fixed to your satisfaction.

I had my block sleeved by RS and, well, it wasn't as bad as yours, but there were gaps between each sleeve. I had Endyn build the block and test it on their engine Dyno, and one of the sleeve shifted, requring them to redo the assembly. Since then, I have had no issues, and Endyn posted the sleeves as well. I have my fingers crossed that I do not have issues!

 

so the sleeve might just shift, and fix to another position ... and stay there, OR NOT...
damn..

 

quit beating around the bush, your sleeves were jimmy rigged, period, face it, man up, go back there, and tell them its wrong, if they ask why, tell them to call golden eagle up and they'll tell him way... Tell him you got reputable sources that say that is completely a dumb *** job, get it done correct, or get your money back its simple...dont bend over and take it.

if your not first your last...

 

i agree totally.. but i p[refer to have it fixed..
if i take my money back, i have no block

 

Wow IB is really slacking latley. Jeff used to make really good products, but sometimes it took a long time to recieve the parts. Now it doesnt even look like they have that.