Well went to Churches yesterday. Pretty happy with the results. Not quite the 191 that TPR says but Shawn seems to think that with a better header and intake manifold i can hit 190's easily. Any how here is the graph sorry for the black and white i scanned it at work and they do not have a color scanner( will post in color after work).



Specs of the motor:
BC IV's
BC Valves
BC cam gears
BC head gasket
BC springs and retainers
Port Flow head
JDM ITR header
Stock intake manifold
RC 310's
2.5" exhaust
AEM CAI
Hondata s200


Modified by B16b-EJ8 at 11:45 AM 5/18/2007


Modified by B16b-EJ8 at 2:53 PM 5/18/2007


Modified by B16b-EJ8 at 7:07 PM 5/18/2007

 

Any suggestions for an intake manifold for a rev happy motor? I already decided to go with a TODA header. That was my original plan but just couldnt get the money in time.

 

I have been looking at the edelbrock manifolds both performer and victor...hoever i heard the perfomer wont do much good reving past 8500 and has bolt hole issues. Need some advice

**Man 74 views and no one has anything to say about my setup or numbers** I guess im glad i dont need the approval of HT to be happy. But i would like some more info on IM's


Modified by B16b-EJ8 at 2:52 PM 5/18/2007

 

Very similar #'s that my b16b put out on a mustang dyno. Basically same set up as yours except that I run pro 1's on stock port job.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KYSI &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Very similar #'s that my b16b put out on a mustang dyno. Basically same set up as yours except that I run pro 1's on stock port job.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Cool,

i see in your sig it says "now with more displacement" do i detect a stroker?

 

Worst quality graph ever.

Its begging for an 89mm crank.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Combustion Contraption &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Worst quality graph ever.

Its begging for an 89mm crank.</TD></TR></TABLE>


Shitty scanner at work...color coming soon

Going 1.8 will most likely be the next step.

**EDIT** color is up

 

I've seen a few buddy car all running skunk2 Pro intake and all told they gave noticeably gains from low to redline on their butt dyno. They were running B16a, B16b and B18C-R

 

Another friend used Performer x with very good gains right at the top but it was a 2L built.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chris2000 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I've seen a few buddy car all running skunk2 Pro intake and all told they gave noticeably gains from low to redline on their butt dyno. They were running B16a, B16b and B18C-R</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not port matched or anything just standard s2 im? i was looking at them on their site but it says they are all sold out so we will see.

 

They are all NOT ported internally. Just port match to TB and intake gasket.

 

Nice power for a B16
It will love a Toda header

 

looking good man!!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B16b-EJ8 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have been looking at the edelbrock manifolds both performer and victor...hoever i heard the perfomer wont do much good reving past 8500 and has bolt hole issues. Need some advice
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You won't be able to use your AEM cai if you went with the Edelbrock Performer intake because of it's angled throttle body location.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 00Red_SiR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


You won't be able to use your AEM cai if you went with the Edelbrock Performer intake because of it's angled throttle body location.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thanks for that info, so would i just need to go short ram with a v stack?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chris2000 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">They are all NOT ported internally. Just port match to TB and intake gasket.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Cool.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b19coupe &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Nice power for a B16
It will love a Toda header </TD></TR></TABLE>

Thanks, that is what i was thinking

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blinx9900 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">looking good man!!</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thanks

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B16b-EJ8 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Thanks for that info, so would i just need to go short ram with a v stack?</TD></TR></TABLE>

pretty sure that will work.

 

I'm wondering if the s2 IM would be a good choice for me...I am leaning towards it because I live in Cali and well i want everything to appear to be on the up and up incase i get my hood popped, and well an intake manifold with "VICTOR X" across the top isnt really stealthy. So what do you guys think s2 im and bigger throttle body perhaps?

 

Doesn't your engine use the same intake manifold as the Integra Type R? If it does, I can't see much advantage to going to a Skunk version. As for throttle body, I suppose you could go larger but if it was me I'd just send it to MAX BORE on here, they do a great job. The TB is usually good for a 1-3hp increase across the curve and tends to have a greater affect on throttle response vs power.

The Toda header with a new tune should make the biggest difference for you.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 00Red_SiR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Doesn't your engine use the same intake manifold as the Integra Type R? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Correct.

What was the injector DC?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by clean rice &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Correct.

What was the injector DC?</TD></TR></TABLE>

To be honest i dont really know. I could probably call church and see if he has that info saved anywhere.

So the skunk is just a replica...thats weak, so i would be better off cutting mine porting it welding it back up and putting it back on in order to maintain some what of a stockish look? As far as the TB goes having better throttle responce is always a nice thing Any other ideas to squeez a little more power out of her. Either stroking or going bigger bore will have to wait till next year (the girlfriend said no more big money on the car for this year)

TODA header coming up next, and some smaller wheels. I know they dont add power but im running 17's and they suck for acceleration.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B16b-EJ8 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
So the skunk is just a replica...thats weak, so i would be better off cutting mine porting it welding it back up and putting it back on in order to maintain some what of a stockish look? As far as the TB goes having better throttle responce is always a nice thing </TD></TR></TABLE>

The Skunk piece is supposed to be an "enhanced" version of the Type R factory piece. For your particular setup, I doubt it would make much difference at this point. A throttle body helps throttle response if it's kept smaller, opening it up slightly like Max Bore does should help retain good throttle response and add a couple hp over the curve.

Smaller lighter wheels will make your car feel faster and will also net you a few more HP on a chassis dyno.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B16b-EJ8 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well went to Churches yesterday. Pretty happy with the results. Not quite the 191 that TPR says but Shawn seems to think that with a better header and intake manifold i can hit 190's easily. Any how here is the graph sorry for the black and white i scanned it at work and they do not have a color scanner( will post in color after work).


Specs of the motor:
BC IV's
BC Valves
BC cam gears
BC head gasket
BC springs and retainers
Port Flow head
JDM ITR header
Stock intake manifold
RC 310's
2.5" exhaust
AEM CAI
Hondata s200

Modified by B16b-EJ8 at 7:07 PM 5/18/2007</TD></TR></TABLE>
If you are using a STD TB and manifold there are some gains with a ported one and on the B16a-b I found that the 62mm TB was big enough,and looking at the graph the Spec-IV cams need a Vtec cross over between 5700-6200rpm in a 1600cc engine with the ITR header.
Regards Dyno Dave

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dyno Dave &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
looking at the graph the Spec-IV cams need a Vtec cross over between 5700-6200rpm in a 1600cc engine with the ITR header.
Regards Dyno Dave </TD></TR></TABLE>


I assume you are reffering to the dip...rasing the cross over will eliminate this? I will be getting rid of the ITR header and going TODA, i dont want to dyno after every part but i might dyno after adding that just to give everyone some numbers comparing the two headers.

Do you think the gains from a ported IM and TB are worth the cash? if not and i decide to throw caution to the wind and go with an aftermarket manifold is there one out there that would suit a high reving engine better?

 

look into the ib ported manifolds http://www.importbuilders.com