Hey ya'll, I just wanted to show you the pics of the first production prototype of the new ASR Race bar for the EF chassis!

What do ya guys think? Endlinks will use the stock holes.
There will be some small changes, but we're going to test this version in the next race!
At any rate, just wanted to show you some pics of the new stuff...

 

I hope it sucks so that I'll have a chance to keep up w/ you at BW.

J/K .. it looks great! It looks a lot like their DA setup. I might have to break down and buy one of these someday soon.

- Scott

 

will they be coming out with the rear subframe brace like the other civic models already have?

 

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I think they have something in the works for that as well!
I got to see the prototype of that, but no pics of those yet.

 

the crx doesnt need a rear subfram brace...

is that a 32mm bar? what are those circular things on the bar about 6-8" from the ends of the bar? and how is exhaust clearance? i do like that it keeps tow hooks. (i had to remove them for the ST sway install)


Modified by GSRCRXsi at 2:58 PM 4/3/2007

 

What does the hollow size equal in the solid bar size? Is this the standard size used on the Cup cars so new rates can be ordered from Speedway engineering or another company of the sorts... or was this a custom length for the CRX width? I know you might not have the answers... I guess i should just send an email

Found this on Speedway's Site good information http://www.1speedway.com/sb_rates.htm

 

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Actually rear subframe tears are common on EF's and there are no factory replacements left. Beefing them up before they fail is a good thing.

ASR bar looks great! What's with the extra chassis mounting holes on the brackets? Can the whole thing be shifted to the rear so the endlinks line up with the LCAs better?

 

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Actually rear subframe tears are common on EF's and there are no factory replacements left. Beefing them up before they fail is a good thing.

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Andy,

I was looking at that also, but the holes don't seem to be inline exactly (just my perspective from the pictures) Wondering if they are trying to use the same mounting for different chassis. Would be nice for them as far as how many different styles they have to stock.

 

uh yeah. theres something majorly wrong with that left bracket.

the extra two slots in the front seem to want to match the stock swaybar bracket holes. but the left bracket is not even the proper stagger.

why the generous slot lengths?

guess its just a "prototype".

 

how does the rear subfram tear out when nothing bolts to it? unless someone rigged up a sway to bolt to it... but i dont see how it will tear out with no sway bar mounted to it. thats the whole purpose of the brace, to prevent the sway bar from ripping out. no sway bar = no needed support.

 

the rear subframe CAN tear out due to cornering forces alone.

but i dont think in the same way like EK's putting on ITR rear swaybars do. it still might help to reinforce the rear subrframe with an extra brace.

 

Looks beefy, Tyson, I think as mentioned above, they are multiple use brackets, depending on application. That would make for easier production.

Only reason I think this, is aren't the ASR lettering cutouts usually readable from the outer side of the car? It seems as though they were flipped to gain more of an inboard position on the bar itself. Not sure but just a guess.

Edit: Okay I looked at the other application and that's not the case (outboard position.) oh well..

 

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The rear LCA's bolt to it ... that's enough. One of the H4 CRXen here had his rear subframe tear out badly when he caught a burm the wrong way. As Andy mentioned, you can't buy a new subframe anymore, so protecting the one you have would be a very good idea.

 

&lt;sigh&gt; yup. i'm gonna need one of those too.....

 

im just saying, the whole reason for the brace was to support the rear subframe and keep it from tearing out due to the forces exerted by the sway bar. the crx doesnt have the sway mounted to the rear subframe, but rather the frame itself. having a brace on the subframe on the crx seems unnecessary to me. id suspect any damage to a crx's subframe was due to it already being damaged in the first place, either by an accident/rust/etc. just my opinion.

 

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there are more informed opinions in this thread than yours.

 

no need to start a pissing contest. you have your opinion, i have mine. but dont patronize me like some ricer. if you feel the need to spend the money on something that might help go ahead but dont talk down to me for the decisions i make on my personal car. like i said it my opinion that its not necessary. we've gone all this time without a brace for our cars with a very small minority having problems.

 

Questions

Question 1 Anythought as to how this may work with JDM or 88 stamped steel control arms. I run these for TEIN Coilovers. I assume it will be the same but just thought to ask clearance etc...

Question 2
Sub frame. I remeber seeing the pics of the CRX that had the subframe ripped in half. I was wondering if anyone had pics of ideas as to how to reinforce the subframe. I was going to stitch weld mine to the car. More reinforcement than that? bracing?

SuperDave IT2 WCMA #70

 

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I retained mine with ST bar. You mount it on top of the bracket.


I have seen pictures of the subframe tearing in half. I had an autox instructor who also had it tear apart. He welded it back together though.

 

Make sure the class rules (whatever they may be) don't force you to keep the oem towhooks in place...

 

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That is true, but I think we'll find that as these chassises (man that looks weird in plural form) get older it will become more and more common. The metal fatigues over time with use ... especially race use. It is true to say that it doesn't tear out without having been weakened, however, any car that has been raced for several years will tend to have that type of metal fatigue. That said, I can't see that the ASR style brace would do anything more than the subframe bar that Jeremy already has on his car in the pics above. Probably stitch welding and rosette plate welding are still the 2 best options for long term strengthening/repair. Unfortunately, the IT/H4 rules pretty much prohibit those unless the subframe is already damaged and it is a "repair action" rather than an improvement.

 

i would think that the subframe would fail where the bolts connect the lca to the subframe. over time (as someone previously posted). is this where they fail, or not?

 

The ASR ARB assembly looks like it has a much stiffer rate than any bar on the market. The large diameter bar itself, the stiff aluminum moment arms, the pillow blocks are much stiffer than the typical urethane, and the location of the pillow blocks near the brackets all conspire to make this bar system very stiff - and maybe so much so that you will have pre-mature corner entry oversteer. If you are using this bar, make sure to bring softer rear springs to the track. This is just an observation.

 

Look what the cat dragged in...

Where you been, J.Mac?

 

Why use that kind of bracket. Why not just bolt a block to the chassis. This will eliminate any possible flex and I think is a great solution for the EF and DA chassis.