BUYER BEWARE: Brice Kok @ JHPUSA
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BUYER BEWARE: Brice Kok @ JHPUSA
Brice Kok at JHPUSA.com
I received a call Feb. 2 from Brice offering to sell me his 2006 AP2 headlights minus bulbs and ballasts. He had seen my request in the WTB forum. He originally wanted $750 and if I wanted to pay via credit card or paypal, an extra 3%. We negotiated until we agreed on $700 shipped with no extra 3%, to be paid via paypal. He gave me an email address of d_lamano@msn.com and I sent the payment at 12:28:53 PST. We speak over the phone and he confirms the payment was received. A week or so go by and I haven't seen the headlights or heard anything back. I call Brice only for him to say that they had not shipped out because he had to wait for the money from Paypal and that he had used his buddy's/co-worker's paypal account. Said he would have it in the next day or so and would ship them very soon. A week or so more goes by and still nothing. I call for him a few times and leave messages because he is not in or not available. Finally, on March 9 I receive a cashier's check for $679 and letter with the following: (this is copied word for word on the typed letter)
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March 06, 2007
Hi,
I'm sorry for the delay on you headlights, but I had decided that I am going to sell the S2 for another. Enclosed is a cashier's check for the amount received:
Headlight Price: $700
Subtract Paypal Fees: 3%
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Total credits enclosed: $679
Thanks for you interest but I'm sorry that this deal didn't work out
Brice
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I called him after receiving this and informed him that this was not acceptable. I should not be paying a 3% fee because it was agreed that the headlights were $700 shipped and that is what I sent. He said he didn't feel like he should refund me $700 because that's all he got from his friend who's paypal account he used. I gave him several opportunites to make amends and I informed him I would post here, and on other forums, if he didn't return the $21 balance. I asked him several times if he would return it, "yes or no," and he refused to answer and just kept saying he didn't receive $700 just the $679 and that he didn't feel he should lose double. After asking several times and getting the same reponse it was quite clear he was only trying to avoid paying for fees he incurred by backing out of the deal and I hung up.
BUYER BEWARE when dealing with BRICE KOK at JHPUSA
I received a call Feb. 2 from Brice offering to sell me his 2006 AP2 headlights minus bulbs and ballasts. He had seen my request in the WTB forum. He originally wanted $750 and if I wanted to pay via credit card or paypal, an extra 3%. We negotiated until we agreed on $700 shipped with no extra 3%, to be paid via paypal. He gave me an email address of d_lamano@msn.com and I sent the payment at 12:28:53 PST. We speak over the phone and he confirms the payment was received. A week or so go by and I haven't seen the headlights or heard anything back. I call Brice only for him to say that they had not shipped out because he had to wait for the money from Paypal and that he had used his buddy's/co-worker's paypal account. Said he would have it in the next day or so and would ship them very soon. A week or so more goes by and still nothing. I call for him a few times and leave messages because he is not in or not available. Finally, on March 9 I receive a cashier's check for $679 and letter with the following: (this is copied word for word on the typed letter)
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March 06, 2007
Hi,
I'm sorry for the delay on you headlights, but I had decided that I am going to sell the S2 for another. Enclosed is a cashier's check for the amount received:
Headlight Price: $700
Subtract Paypal Fees: 3%
_______________________
Total credits enclosed: $679
Thanks for you interest but I'm sorry that this deal didn't work out
Brice
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I called him after receiving this and informed him that this was not acceptable. I should not be paying a 3% fee because it was agreed that the headlights were $700 shipped and that is what I sent. He said he didn't feel like he should refund me $700 because that's all he got from his friend who's paypal account he used. I gave him several opportunites to make amends and I informed him I would post here, and on other forums, if he didn't return the $21 balance. I asked him several times if he would return it, "yes or no," and he refused to answer and just kept saying he didn't receive $700 just the $679 and that he didn't feel he should lose double. After asking several times and getting the same reponse it was quite clear he was only trying to avoid paying for fees he incurred by backing out of the deal and I hung up.
BUYER BEWARE when dealing with BRICE KOK at JHPUSA
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Re: BUYER BEWARE: Brice Kok @ JHPUSA (XLevel)
I was about to say that i have done business with them for a couple years and never had an issue.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by XLevel »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">NOTE: That this was a personal sale between the two of us and not between myself and JHPUSA.</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by XLevel »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">NOTE: That this was a personal sale between the two of us and not between myself and JHPUSA.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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Re: BUYER BEWARE: Brice Kok @ JHPUSA (XLevel)
Why do you feel the need to post this on every forum? You make it sound like Brice stole your car.
In Brice's defense. He is a good guy and had no intention of coming off shady or taking anyones money. He lost $200 on headlights he had ordered only to find out they were the wrong ones. On top of that, he was charged a re-stocking fee. And now he has to deal with your whiny ***.
I think you're a kook for going out of your way to make him look bad in front of his co-workers, boss as well as the people on every message board you've posted this on.
In Brice's defense. He is a good guy and had no intention of coming off shady or taking anyones money. He lost $200 on headlights he had ordered only to find out they were the wrong ones. On top of that, he was charged a re-stocking fee. And now he has to deal with your whiny ***.
I think you're a kook for going out of your way to make him look bad in front of his co-workers, boss as well as the people on every message board you've posted this on.
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Re: BUYER BEWARE: Brice Kok @ JHPUSA (Options)
well at least he refunded you and didnt run off with your money lol, ive never had a problem with jhp 
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NIKE SB’d »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If he just chooses the option to "refund" on paypal it would have given you back your whole $700. </TD></TR></TABLE>
^^What this guy said, Why didnt he just hit "refund" instead of sending you a check? It would have given the 3% back.
^^What this guy said, Why didnt he just hit "refund" instead of sending you a check? It would have given the 3% back.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ekay. jay »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
^^What this guy said, Why didnt he just hit "refund" instead of sending you a check? It would have given the 3% back.</TD></TR></TABLE>Because the money was already withdrawn from paypal...
^^What this guy said, Why didnt he just hit "refund" instead of sending you a check? It would have given the 3% back.</TD></TR></TABLE>Because the money was already withdrawn from paypal...
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Gump »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Because the money was already withdrawn from paypal...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Why couldnt he just withdraw it out of a bank account? Thats how i have my paypal account set up. It just pulls money straight out of my bank account if i dont have anything in my paypal balance.
Why couldnt he just withdraw it out of a bank account? Thats how i have my paypal account set up. It just pulls money straight out of my bank account if i dont have anything in my paypal balance.
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as the seller -- who has gone out of his way to try and contact another make the sale... and even canceled it in the end...
it is his responsibility to refund the customer 100%. i dont care if he got shipped the wrong ones, or had to pay the restocking fee. it is the seller who backed out and IMO should hold financial responsibility.
edit -- why did he not sell them in the first place? did he get more than the $700?
it is his responsibility to refund the customer 100%. i dont care if he got shipped the wrong ones, or had to pay the restocking fee. it is the seller who backed out and IMO should hold financial responsibility.
edit -- why did he not sell them in the first place? did he get more than the $700?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ekay. jay »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Why couldnt he just withdraw it out of a bank account? Thats how i have my paypal account set up. It just pulls money straight out of my bank account if i dont have anything in my paypal balance.</TD></TR></TABLE>If we could have we would have done it, but my bank account is not linked to my paypal account.
Why couldnt he just withdraw it out of a bank account? Thats how i have my paypal account set up. It just pulls money straight out of my bank account if i dont have anything in my paypal balance.</TD></TR></TABLE>If we could have we would have done it, but my bank account is not linked to my paypal account.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jdmsiR20 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">as the seller -- who has gone out of his way to try and contact another make the sale... and even canceled it in the end...
it is his responsibility to refund the customer 100%. i dont care if he got shipped the wrong ones, or had to pay the restocking fee. it is the seller who backed out and IMO should hold financial responsibility.
edit -- why did he not sell them in the first place? did he get more than the $700?
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thats exactly right.
it is his responsibility to refund the customer 100%. i dont care if he got shipped the wrong ones, or had to pay the restocking fee. it is the seller who backed out and IMO should hold financial responsibility.
edit -- why did he not sell them in the first place? did he get more than the $700?
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thats exactly right.
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It's not the OP's fault the seller backed out, and he definitely shouldn't have to eat the remaining balance..... The seller needs to man up, and send the guy his $21 dollars. I know thats chump change, but still it's the priciple of the matter...
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Gump »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If we could have we would have done it, but my bank account is not linked to my paypal account.</TD></TR></TABLE>
So how was the money withdrawn from the paypal account?
The buyer never even had the product in his hands at any given time, and he has to spend $21 for an incomplete sale? If any one person buys something, does not receive it, they're entitled to a full refund for the price they paid. Its not the buyers fault, all he did was follow through with his end of the deal.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jackson »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> He lost $200 on headlights he had ordered only to find out they were the wrong ones. On top of that, he was charged a re-stocking fee. And now he has to deal with your whiny ***. </TD></TR></TABLE>
The fact that Brice had lost money on headlights that were incorrect is irrelevent to the matter. So because he lost $200 + restocking fee, the buyer should understand why Brice shorted him of his money and pardon Brice from the remaining amount owed back to him? I dont see why the buyer should pay $21 for someone elses mishap.
A deal is a deal. If they agreed to a price, and it was paid, its now the sellers obligation to deliver the product. Who in their right mind would accept less than what they paid when being refunded for an item they never even received? Why should the buyer be charged anything?
So how was the money withdrawn from the paypal account?
The buyer never even had the product in his hands at any given time, and he has to spend $21 for an incomplete sale? If any one person buys something, does not receive it, they're entitled to a full refund for the price they paid. Its not the buyers fault, all he did was follow through with his end of the deal.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jackson »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> He lost $200 on headlights he had ordered only to find out they were the wrong ones. On top of that, he was charged a re-stocking fee. And now he has to deal with your whiny ***. </TD></TR></TABLE>
The fact that Brice had lost money on headlights that were incorrect is irrelevent to the matter. So because he lost $200 + restocking fee, the buyer should understand why Brice shorted him of his money and pardon Brice from the remaining amount owed back to him? I dont see why the buyer should pay $21 for someone elses mishap.
A deal is a deal. If they agreed to a price, and it was paid, its now the sellers obligation to deliver the product. Who in their right mind would accept less than what they paid when being refunded for an item they never even received? Why should the buyer be charged anything?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EnjoyTheRideDC2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The fact that Brice had lost money on headlights that were incorrect is irrelevent to the matter. </TD></TR></TABLE>
The fact that XLevel called the shop to speak to the owner about what happened is irrelevent. As well as posting up JHPUSA all over his post. Brice did not pocket the $21. Paypal did. I totally agree Brice should pay the $21. My only argument was how XLevel went about slandering Brice's name as well JHP's.
The fact that XLevel called the shop to speak to the owner about what happened is irrelevent. As well as posting up JHPUSA all over his post. Brice did not pocket the $21. Paypal did. I totally agree Brice should pay the $21. My only argument was how XLevel went about slandering Brice's name as well JHP's.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jackson »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The fact that XLevel called the shop to speak to the owner about what happened is irrelevent. As well as posting up JHPUSA all over his post. Brice did not pocket the $21. Paypal did. I totally agree Brice should pay the $21. My only argument was how XLevel went about slandering Brice's name as well JHP's. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Definition of slander:
The utterance of false charges or misrepresentations which defame and damage another's reputation
Its not slander if its the truth buddy.
This dude is being a complete moron. Its not worth $21 to be thought of as a low life scamming idiot.
If you paid $700 for a TV at best buy, expected it to be delievered, returned to the store to find out why it hadn't been, and they offered you a refund, would you expect anything less than the TOTAL AMOUNT that you paid? I doubt it.
People need not defend stupid actions like this. Tell the dude to cough up the money and quit being ignorant about it.
The fact that XLevel called the shop to speak to the owner about what happened is irrelevent. As well as posting up JHPUSA all over his post. Brice did not pocket the $21. Paypal did. I totally agree Brice should pay the $21. My only argument was how XLevel went about slandering Brice's name as well JHP's. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Definition of slander:
The utterance of false charges or misrepresentations which defame and damage another's reputation
Its not slander if its the truth buddy.
This dude is being a complete moron. Its not worth $21 to be thought of as a low life scamming idiot.
If you paid $700 for a TV at best buy, expected it to be delievered, returned to the store to find out why it hadn't been, and they offered you a refund, would you expect anything less than the TOTAL AMOUNT that you paid? I doubt it.
People need not defend stupid actions like this. Tell the dude to cough up the money and quit being ignorant about it.
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Re: BUYER BEWARE: Brice Kok @ JHPUSA (XLevel)
sellers fault. shoulda hit the refund button if he wasnt going to sell it to him.
Sounds like buddy found a buyer willing to pay more and he just wanted the extra cash, a deal is a deal, money was exchanged and theres a binding agreement.
As for XLEVEL posting this over all the forums with JHP in the title, the seller should have known that because he works for JHP, even personal deals will be associated with JHP. This happens to many companies. Its not slander because its true, he stated it was a personal deal.
IMO the seller should send him the money that paypal ate up, JHP should send him the money to clear their name or JHP's owner should force the seller to pay up. In the end its only 21 dollars, nickels and dimes for any company, and 21 dollars to clear that good name is worth it.
Sounds like buddy found a buyer willing to pay more and he just wanted the extra cash, a deal is a deal, money was exchanged and theres a binding agreement.
As for XLEVEL posting this over all the forums with JHP in the title, the seller should have known that because he works for JHP, even personal deals will be associated with JHP. This happens to many companies. Its not slander because its true, he stated it was a personal deal.
IMO the seller should send him the money that paypal ate up, JHP should send him the money to clear their name or JHP's owner should force the seller to pay up. In the end its only 21 dollars, nickels and dimes for any company, and 21 dollars to clear that good name is worth it.
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Definition of slander:
The utterance of false charges or misrepresentations which defame and damage another's reputation
Its not slander if its the truth buddy.
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it's already been noted that this was a personal deal and it had nothing to do with the fact that the seller worked at JHP. so, the JHP name shouldn't even be mentioned because it's irrelevant. that is slander, plain and simple.
the seller should refund the $21.
XLevel should stop associating JHP with this, since the deal did not go through JHP.
Definition of slander:
The utterance of false charges or misrepresentations which defame and damage another's reputation
Its not slander if its the truth buddy.
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it's already been noted that this was a personal deal and it had nothing to do with the fact that the seller worked at JHP. so, the JHP name shouldn't even be mentioned because it's irrelevant. that is slander, plain and simple.
the seller should refund the $21.
XLevel should stop associating JHP with this, since the deal did not go through JHP.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sammysnakes »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
it's already been noted that this was a personal deal and it had nothing to do with the fact that the seller worked at JHP. so, the JHP name shouldn't even be mentioned because it's irrelevant. that is slander, plain and simple.
the seller should refund the $21.
XLevel should stop associating JHP with this, since the deal did not go through JHP.
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The story seems to be that the whole reason that he trusted the guy is because he did business with JHP, therefore trusted one of their employees. Either way, he is not slandering JHP by saying the guy works there. He would be slandering JHP if he were blaming them, which he clearly is not. You can't say he is slandering JHP simply because he said that this guy works there.
Now if he had said "JHP employs a bunch of scamming ******s", THAT would be slander.
it's already been noted that this was a personal deal and it had nothing to do with the fact that the seller worked at JHP. so, the JHP name shouldn't even be mentioned because it's irrelevant. that is slander, plain and simple.
the seller should refund the $21.
XLevel should stop associating JHP with this, since the deal did not go through JHP.
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The story seems to be that the whole reason that he trusted the guy is because he did business with JHP, therefore trusted one of their employees. Either way, he is not slandering JHP by saying the guy works there. He would be slandering JHP if he were blaming them, which he clearly is not. You can't say he is slandering JHP simply because he said that this guy works there.
Now if he had said "JHP employs a bunch of scamming ******s", THAT would be slander.
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Re: BUYER BEWARE: Brice Kok @ JHPUSA (Jackson)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jackson »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why do you feel the need to post this on every forum? You make it sound like Brice stole your car.
In Brice's defense. He is a good guy and had no intention of coming off shady or taking anyones money. He lost $200 on headlights he had ordered only to find out they were the wrong ones. On top of that, he was charged a re-stocking fee. And now he has to deal with your whiny ***.
I think you're a kook for going out of your way to make him look bad in front of his co-workers, boss as well as the people on every message board you've posted this on. </TD></TR></TABLE>
ARE YOU ******* SERIOUS. You would do the same damn thing if somebody shorted you $21 dollars. But since its your buddy its ok, whatever.
In Brice's defense. He is a good guy and had no intention of coming off shady or taking anyones money. He lost $200 on headlights he had ordered only to find out they were the wrong ones. On top of that, he was charged a re-stocking fee. And now he has to deal with your whiny ***.
I think you're a kook for going out of your way to make him look bad in front of his co-workers, boss as well as the people on every message board you've posted this on.
</TD></TR></TABLE>ARE YOU ******* SERIOUS. You would do the same damn thing if somebody shorted you $21 dollars. But since its your buddy its ok, whatever.