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Old Jan 28, 2007 | 06:56 PM
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k I searched, I'm looking into getting some 15x8 or 15x7.5 wheels, I was wondering what size tires is everyone using?? and if they had to roll their fenders or not? Or if anyone has any expierience with these wheels, or any low offset/deep dish rims?

specs of my car:
93 civic si lowered with skunk2 springs, 2.5 front, and 2.25 rear. thanks in advance!
This is a picture of the rims on a hatch like mine....
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Old Jan 28, 2007 | 07:48 PM
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that kid works at a body shop, i remember seeing that car before actually, he posted it up in a thread about 50$ paint jobs lol. pretty damn insane, cost him like 120$ or something crazy, and OMG DISHHHHHH DROOL. i think those are work equip wheels, although there could be other companies that make that style. i wouldnt go with anything bigger than a 15 inch wheel. just pointless on a civic really. stick with a 15 and if you want more just grow outward, get wider 15's maybe a 15x8, and i would suggest rolling the fenders if you are slammed. especially with a 15x8, also 15x8 would take a tire i believe roughly 225/235-35/40-15 if thats confusing i mean anywhere between and 225-40-15 to a 235-35-15, maybe even wider i would need to think on it and im in a rush.

good luck dude
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Old Jan 28, 2007 | 08:14 PM
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that car is sick!
Old Jan 28, 2007 | 08:54 PM
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check out the rr&aX forum they do a lot of 15x8 set ups, they are familiar with it, or better yet THE WHEEL AND TIRE FORUM.
Old Jan 28, 2007 | 08:57 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blinx9900 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> or better yet THE WHEEL AND TIRE FORUM.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Bingo!
Old Jan 28, 2007 | 09:11 PM
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you could stretch a 205 on an 8 inch wheel easily.
Old Jan 29, 2007 | 05:57 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MassScene &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you could stretch a 205 on an 8 inch wheel easily.</TD></TR></TABLE>

exactly what I was thinking, by looking at this guys setup, it looks like a 205/50?/15 stretched. I'm just kinda worried the camber is gonna be outta control.
Old Jan 29, 2007 | 08:09 AM
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Is this a show car? Or for track use? Or for street use?

For normal street use, I STRONGLY recommend getting 195/50-15 tires and getting 15x6 wheels. 15x8 is WAY too wide. (It's too wide for 205/50-15 tires, too!)

If this is for a show car or for track use, then get whatever size you want. Just decide on your tire model and size before you buy the wheels, and make sure the wheels are within the range of approved rim widths for that tire model and size.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hondalover91crx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i think those are work equip wheels</TD></TR></TABLE>

They are Axis Oldskool

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">For normal street use, I STRONGLY recommend getting 195/50-15 tires and getting 15x6 wheels. 15x8 is WAY too wide. (It's too wide for 205/50-15 tires, too!)
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What is so wrong about 15X8 on a street Civic?

...off to research 15X8's because those wheels are sick!!!
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hybrid93Hatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What is so wrong about 15X8 on a street Civic? </TD></TR></TABLE>

They're too wide for the tires that fit. For street use, you need 195/50-15 tires for your car. Tires that size are only approved for wheels 5.5-7.0 inches wide. And even when you put them onto 15x7, they will look stretched/stupid and they won't protect the rim lip from curbing damage. Stick with 15x6 or 15x6.5.

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

They're too wide for the tires that fit. For street use, you need 195/50-15 tires for your car. Tires that size are only approved for wheels 5.5-7.0 inches wide. And even when you put them onto 15x7, they will look stretched/stupid and they won't protect the rim lip from curbing damage. Stick with 15x6 or 15x6.5.

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i have 15x7 with 205/50/15's no problems here.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blinx9900 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have 15x7 with 205/50/15's no problems here.</TD></TR></TABLE>

205/50-15 is too big for a '93 Civic. Especially one that's lowered. However, it's fine for an Integra or '97-00 Civic.

As for the wheel width, most 205/50-15 are approved for rims 5.5-7.5 inches wide, so 15x7 isn't as drastic for the wider tire size. Especially for the Falken Azenis, which is wider than most other tires labeled as the same size.
Old Jan 29, 2007 | 10:43 AM
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you need a 195/50r15 on that wheel and i would get the 15x7.5 wheel.. it will be stretched either way.. but if that is the look you are after then get the 7.5.. you will have to get the fenders rolled either way to make it work depending on the offset...
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

205/50-15 is too big for a '93 Civic. Especially one that's lowered.
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What makes it too big? My Blades are on 205/50/15's and only rub on big dips (fenders not rolled).
Numerous cars run 205's on Civic's wheter 15 or 16".

I was thinking 215/50/15 for the 15 X 8 wheel. No way I would try and stretch a 195 over an 8" wheel If I were to go this route the fenders will be rolled.

Wider tire = better traction?
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What makes it too big? My Blades are on 205/50/15's and only rub on big dips (fenders not rolled).

the reason the rub is because the the tire size is wrong.. to be close to stock you have to run a 195/50r15 in a 15 inch and in 16 inch it is a 205/40r16.. the overall diameter of a a 205/50r15 is much bigger than stock...

I was thinking 215/50/15 for the 15 X 8 wheel. No way I would try and stretch a 195 over an 8" wheel If I were to go this route the fenders will be rolled.

your fenders are going to have to be rolled anyway.. doesn't matter what you do once you buy those wheels you are going to have to roll the fenders no matter what size tire you buy
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hybrid93Hatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What makes it too big?</TD></TR></TABLE>

The diameter is too big, because its bigger than the stock outer diameter. That means that the speedometer and odometer are inaccurate, acceleration is slower (it's like getting taller gears), and the tires rub on the fenders or wheel wells.

However, the proper size depends on the CAR, not just on the wheels. Put GS-R wheels on an Integra, and 205/50-15 is fine (as is 195/55-15). Put GS-R wheels on a pre-'96 Civic, and you need 195/50-15.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hybrid93Hatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">only rub on big dips (fenders not rolled).</TD></TR></TABLE>

Which is why you should be using 195/50-15, which won't rub on big dips.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hybrid93Hatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Numerous cars run 205's on Civic's wheter 15 or 16".</TD></TR></TABLE>

vtecsi00 is correct. What matters is not just the treadwidth, but also the outer diameter. The outer diameter of the 205/40-16 is the same as the 195/50-15, and the outer diameter is about the same as the 175/70-13 and 185/60-14 used on most pre-'96 Civics.

'97-00 Civics came with 185/65-14 or 195/55-15 tires stock, so those years can use 195/55-15 or 205/50-15 without any rubbing or other problems. ('96 depends on the model.)

There may be some people using 205/50-15 on pre-'96 Civics - heck, they may even be using bigger tires than that. But it's just not the best tire size for the car. People who are using oversized tires probably don't know much about tires, and saw someone else using the wrong size and erroneously figured it's a good size to use.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hybrid93Hatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I was thinking 215/50/15 for the 15 X 8 wheel. No way I would try and stretch a 195 over an 8" wheel If I were to go this route the fenders will be rolled.

Wider tire = better traction? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Crappy tire = crappy traction. And the only tires available in North America in 215/50-15 are crappy tires.

There is a MUCH bigger difference in traction between different models of tires than between different treadwidths. If you're looking for better traction, concentrate on getting better, stickier tires, rather than wider tires. For the best performance, get the best tires available in the proper size for your car.

In 195/50-15, the very best tire available is the Goodyear F1 GS-D3. Outstanding on dry pavement, outstanding in rain, last a long time. This is the tire that won the Car and Driver comparison test. You're lucky if you have a car that needs 195/50-15, because they don't come in any other 15" size.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The diameter is too big, because its bigger than the stock outer diameter. That means that the speedometer and odometer are inaccurate, acceleration is slower (it's like getting taller gears),</TD></TR></TABLE>

Besides being slower the other stuff doesn't really bother me. The car is being built to move fast. The OG's will most likely be for the bling. Will have another wheel/tire for the track.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and the tires rub on the fenders or wheel wells.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Roll the fenders and not slam it. Problem solved?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">However, the proper size depends on the CAR, not just on the wheels. Put GS-R wheels on an Integra, and 205/50-15 is fine (as is 195/55-15). Put GS-R wheels on a pre-'96 Civic, and you need 195/50-15. Which is why you should be using 195/50-15, which won't rub on big dips.
vtecsi00 is correct. What matters is not just the treadwidth, but also the outer diameter. The outer diameter of the 205/40-16 is the same as the 195/50-15, and the outer diameter is about the same as the 175/70-13 and 185/60-14 used on most pre-'96 Civics. '97-00 Civics came with 185/65-14 or 195/55-15 tires stock, so those years can use 195/55-15 or 205/50-15 without any rubbing or other problems. ('96 depends on the model.) There may be some people using 205/50-15 on pre-'96 Civics - heck, they may even be using bigger tires than that. But it's just not the best tire size for the car. People who are using oversized tires probably don't know much about tires, and saw someone else using the wrong size and erroneously figured it's a good size to use.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Besides inaccurate speedo, possibly rubbing on dips / hard cornering, slower acceleration are there any safety issues I need to be worried about? Yes, it's pretty clear that 15X8 is not the optimum wheel for a 92-95 Civic but will it work? I'm sure a K series in a 92-95 civic is not the optimum motor, but it's being done with no problems these days.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Crappy tire = crappy traction. And the only tires available in North America in 215/50-15 are crappy tires.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I see (2) 215/50/15 tires on tirerack which have good numbers/well known manufactures. I haven't read the reviews since I need to make sure I can run this wheel with no safety issues.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you're looking for better traction, concentrate on getting better, stickier tires, rather than wider tires.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm looking for tires that will work with the 15X8 axis oldskool on a Civic.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by nsxtasy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">In 195/50-15, the very best tire available is the Goodyear F1 GS-D3. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yep, have those on my LS mesh

Old Jan 29, 2007 | 01:39 PM
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I know people who run 205/50/15 on their OEM (si's, meshes, blades) as well as aftermarket rims 15x7 or 15x6.5 even. NO problems, not even much camber wear. These were on 92-95 hatches and were lowered approx 2.5-3.0 inches in the front, and lowered closely the same in the back. No rolled fenders either.

In my opinion the 205/50/r15 handled better than the 195/50/r15s.

Now as far as these axis oldskool rims go, I understand these are substantially wider than normal, and would require rolling the fenders, but My question is how inconvinient is this setup for a daily driver? They look ridiculously nice but I could only imagine how shitty the ride is.

The more I think about it, the less inclined I am to purchase these wheels because I don't want roll my fenders, and feel EVERY piece of gravel on the road!

If I were to go 15x7 though, you guys are saying 195/50/15 is better than 205/50/15, but why? Wouldn't it put more stress on the tire by making it stretch to fit the width? I'm no tire expert so please let me know what the real experts think!!
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Listen. You will have no fitment issues with a 205 50 15, and it will most definetly be better than the same tire but a 195 50 15. As for the difference in gearing. Its minimal. At 60mph you may have up to a 4 mph difference. Big woop.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hybrid93Hatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I see (2) 215/50/15 tires on tirerack which have good numbers/well known manufactures.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The manufacturer doesn't matter. Just about every manufacturer makes some tires that are very good, and other tires that are absolute crap. The BFGoodrich g-Force Sport and the Dunlop SP Sport 5000 are absolute crap, and they're ridiculously overpriced ($75 and $102). You will get much much MUCH better performance, in every way, from the Kumho Ecsta SPT in 195/50-15 than you will from either of these crappy tires in 215/50-15. And the SPT only costs $50-51 per tire, too.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hybrid93Hatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm looking for tires that will work with the 15X8 axis oldskool on a Civic.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Even though they will give you crappy performance?

But hey, you obviously already have your mind made up, so please go ahead and buy these crappy tires! Just don't ever try out someone else's SPT, especially in 195/50-15 on narrower wheels, or you'll regret having bought those crappy tires in 215/50.
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yeah i've been doing "research" on 15x8 on civics all day at work (bored as *****) and yeah, i'm going 15x7 with 205/50/15.

15x8 looks nice as hell, but not very daily driver friendly...
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your right im wrong
i just saw them in the new issue of syphon
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I run 195/45/15s on a 15x8. You have nothing to be worried about as far as safety, just keep proper tire pressure. You won't have proper tire size and please certain people on this board. However, they will look good.
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those wheels don't look right, not a low enough offset for that lip.



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