1: would u recomind doin motor upgrades internally before itbs?
2: anyone have any itbs on a type r?
3: how much of a power gain am i looking at?
4: how shitty will they be to tune?
5: good for daily driving?

thanks.. any help would be aprciated.. any dnyo charts of a ctr wit itbs would be nice thanks in advance

 

1.yes
2. dunno
3. fair gain in the midrange, and decent gain up top i suspect
4. well itbs arent the easiest thing to so im gonna say itll somewhat difficult
5. meh id upgrades cams and valvetrain prior to itbs, id also try using like itr/gsr internals in you block, maybe mill the head a skoatch.

 

You can make just as much power without ITB's.

theres some high horsepower cars withoug ITB's.

 

itb's are great but i have to agree at this point IM R&D has gotten so damn good that itb's really just pick up throttle response at this point, im sure on a maxed out motor with really high comp though there worth a few hp for sure...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SkankyEJ7 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">id also try using like itr/gsr internals in you block, maybe mill the head a skoatch.

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why itr gsr internals in a b16b? that will lower comp, then mill the block? that will raise it back up... its like going in circles... anyone getting this?

 

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why itr gsr internals in a b16b? that will lower comp, then mill the block? that will raise it back up... its like going in circles... anyone getting this?</TD></TR></TABLE>

i think what he means is use the itr crank.. the 1.8 liter bottom end.. so i might just purchase the spoon internals!@! ?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blinx9900 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

why itr gsr internals in a b16b? that will lower comp, then mill the block? that will raise it back up... its like going in circles... anyone getting this?</TD></TR></TABLE>

obviously not you
its to make it 1.8 block and jdm itr pistons will raise the compression

and to prove my rightness
stock b16b compress is 10.8:1

b16b with gsr/itr crank and rods and jdm itr pistons 11.3:1 and with a thin hg its like 11.5:1

b16b with gsr/itr crank and rods and p30 pistons is 11.2:1 and with thin hg is 11.4:1

and with the evil pct's is like 12.8:1

plus with gsr/itr internals you more displacement

next do you hw before you make stupid comment like that KKTHANX bye




Modified by SkankyEJ7 at 4:29 PM 11/15/2006

 

So lets assume that one does not want to troke their B16b...and wanted to do ITB's why shouldnt they?

 

stay with a manifold dude!!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ek9bmxer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i think what he means is use the itr crank.. the 1.8 liter bottom end.. so i might just purchase the spoon internals!@! ?</TD></TR></TABLE>

i see, i didnt interpret it that way... makes sense

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SkankyEJ7 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">obviously not you
its to make it 1.8 block and jdm itr pistons will raise the compression

and to prove my rightness
stock b16 compress is 10.8:1

b16b with gsr/itr crank and rods and jdm itr pistons 11.3:1 and with a thin hg its like 11.5:1

b16b with gsr/itr crank and rods and p30 pistons is 11.2:1 and with thin hg is 11.4:1

and with the evil pct's is like 12.8:1

plus with gsr/itr internals you more displacement

next do you hw before you make stupid comment like that KKTHANX bye</TD></TR></TABLE>

settle down there ***-clown you never said anything about a crank, i interpreted like you meant pistons only which you a have to agree would be stupid, i bought my b16b for high revving if i wantd 1.8 would spend the extra 500 and bought a b18c spec r and i would think most people think the same so relax. andy fyi b16 comp is 10.2-10.4 not 10.8 b16B is 10.8

 

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settle down there ***-clown you never said anything about a crank, i interpreted like you meant pistons only which you a have to agree would be stupid, i bought my b16b for high revving if i wantd 1.8 would spend the extra 500 and bought a b18c spec r and i would think most people think the same so relax. andy fyi b16 comp is 10.2-10.4 not 10.8 b16B is 10.8</TD></TR></TABLE>

pistons arent the only thing in the bottom end

 

spoon has a new development to rev to 12k in the b16b... iam trying to find more info on it then just the video.. aanyone got info? if so i would do that instead of itbs!!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SkankyEJ7 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">pistons arent the only thing in the bottom end </TD></TR></TABLE>

bearings are in the bottom end too, should he be swapping those too? like i said i interpereted it differently thats all...

 

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bearings are in the bottom end too, should he be swapping those too? like i said i interpereted it differently thats all...</TD></TR></TABLE>

yes u would install new bearings

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ek9bmxer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">spoon has a new development to rev to 12k in the b16b... iam trying to find more info on it then just the video.. aanyone got info? if so i would do that instead of itbs!! </TD></TR></TABLE>

oh no..............

I H8 SPOON
if only you could have 8 letters on your license plate. what will reving to 12k do for you other than kill your motor in a week? chances are youll have it built by someone who doesnt really know what theyre doing and it will break sooner.

even your ITB idea is over the top. it will cost you AT LEAST 1k to do ITB's (notice i said "to do ITB's" and not "to do ITB's right") and trust me you wont be happy with this setup. for the same amount of money you could do cams, headers, exhaust (depending on what you want, not f*cking SPOON!!!) and have a much faster car then just a b16b with itb's. is this sinking in?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by the_unknown &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> for the same amount of money you could do cams, headers, exhaust (depending on what you want, not f*cking SPOON!!!) and have a much faster car then just a b16b with itb's. is this sinking in?</TD></TR></TABLE>

very true... there was a guy on here who slapped itbs on a stock b18c5 to prove it does nothing to a stock motor, he picked up only like 3hp in the last 500rpm and lost like 12tq... he said he was going to build the motor and test again to show they can be useful on a built motor but i have not seen the follow up...

blox B's springs retainers sprockets and tune &lt;-------- that will make a lot more power and costs about the same as an OK itb set up...

 

itb's should be the final step in a maxed out race motor... imo...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ek9bmxer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">spoon has a new development to rev to 12k in the b16b... iam trying to find more info on it then just the video.. aanyone got info? if so i would do that instead of itbs!! </TD></TR></TABLE>

that video is actually fairly old, and they quit making the block brace/crank brace. thing in that video. i do believe. and i dont belive they make the cast oil pan either. either im pretty sure that an old video

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bearings are in the bottom end too, should he be swapping those too? like i said i interpereted it differently thats all...</TD></TR></TABLE>

your also missing the crank, and the rods, and the rod bolts, and the main cap bolts, thrust bearing, and cranks seal things. and thats just the rotating assembly stuff

 

ok basically, this thread is homosexual at best, however im checking in to get clarification on the unit of measurement called the:

<FONT SIZE="10">skoach</FONT>


lemme know, so i can call the machine shop back. kthnxbye

 

it means something tiny, miniscule so 0.001-0.005 would be a skoach

 

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your also missing the crank, and the rods, and the rod bolts, and the main cap bolts, thrust bearing, and cranks seal things. and thats just the rotating assembly stuff</TD></TR></TABLE>

i was being sarcastic... and if your being a smart *** go eat poo

 

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i was being sarcastic... and if your being a smart *** go eat poo </TD></TR></TABLE>

that **** doesnt taste very good

 

you must not be eating the right kind then cause i think its just scrumtaculous...

 

to the dummy up above.. i already have header and exhaust.. typical ricer post.. they think thats a built motor

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jdm_sht &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">to the dummy up above.. i already have header and exhaust.. typical ricer post.. they think thats a built motor </TD></TR></TABLE>

are you referring to me? cause my post is above yours but i have no idea how that relates to what i posted... just wondering...