In light of everyone conplaining about how there is a thread everyday about ebay turbo's, i would like to hopefully have this made into a sticky about SSAutochrome as well as many of the other brands that are sold on Ebay like XS Power, Vecco and so on.

These companys make claims about their turbos like.

"THIS TURBO CAN EASILY DO 25 psi

530 whp ON B SERIES SWAPS

Standard T3 T3/T4 Flange, 5 Hole Exhaust Flange

Perfect for any 4-6 cylinder.
Mitsubishi Eclipse, Honda Civic, Prelude, Integra, Etc."

First off if, you compare the language used here to say a reputable company like Full Race, Peak boost, Garrett, Precision and so on you will hopefully be able to understand that not only are the claims they are making completly bullshit, but also impossible to be made with the specifications that are given.

Now i am sure that everyone has been on Ebay and seen these kits for sale and thought wow that really look like -----'s manifold. Now for the most part these manifolds are direct copies of well respected and well known companies. As well as the "TIAL style" wastegate, Turbo XS style BOV and Garret style turbo.
example #1

Direct copy of peakboost's version #1 manifold, same quality, no.

While this kit may look to be very complete, in fact many of the parts which are included are made of low quality materials, or are poor in design.

The most common to this example is the manifold that is included in most of the kits you see on Ebay. For the most part these manifolds crack due poor welding and improper bracing. While some have little to zero problems, most expierence the manifold cracking completly, or falling off, as well as crack along the collector and flange connecting the manifold to the head.


And ofcourse the turbo. I personally have seen these turbos break on one car in a week, and last on another for a year and counting. But honestly after hearing and seeing all the horror stories that come along with these turbos, i would strongly suggest not buying these turbos.
They are constructed with poor quality shafts, wheels, housings etc. They are heavily mass produced in China. While claiming 1 year warrenty's i have yet to hear from more than 1 person about the warrenty being followed through with. The problem with these turbos is they tend to fail due to not only poor construction and low quality parts, but also are not made to handle high oil pressure that the standard CHRA oil restrictor that is built into high quality tubocharger has. So in short you can take your chances with the average $250 EBAY turbo, but i wouldn't.

Just as well people that buy these kits have terrible fitment problems as well as frequently recieve the wrong parts, or are missing parts completly.

Now to get to the parts of the kit that many people have been using with success.

1. Intercoolers- Many people on H-T and around the U.S. have had great succes with the "Ebay Intercooler" while i myself run a well known ebay sellers Intercooler with no problem(JRC) i would for the most part stear people towards the $100 intercooler that you see all over EBAY. While most of these intercoolers claim to have high quality cores and had high horsepower ratings... i beg to differ, but without personally testing this i cant talk any **** about them... But a great buy for a budget build.

2. Wastegate- Now to me i wouldnt trust a $75 wastegate on my $3000 motor, but to my suprize many have choosen to. And it seems like many people have had succes in doing so, but like most things in life 1,000 people can be using it and there are going to be people that have had problems with it. So if saving $125 on a wastegate is worth blowing up your motor then go ahead, but if it were me, i would stear clear. But again a great buy for you budget guys.

3. Blow off valve(BOV)- Now this is probibly the one thing that i would say is ok to use. Honestly i didnt like buying a $200 BOV but i did, but honestly i know many people that have used EBAY style BOV's with success. Now the other question is do they sound like the name brand's that they arer knocking off, yes and no. Just like any other product that i have listed above, you are taking a chance when you buy a product that is knocking off another, so if you want it to sound like a TIAL or GReddy then buy a TIAL or a GReddy. Again a nice way to save a buck.

I am sure that some of the other products that are sold by ebay sellers are also useable and thats why i hope that others will post valid statements with out using hear say and pointless arguements.

Well hopefully this is some kind of way to shed a little bit of light on the products that you see on EBAY. And while i realize that 90% of the people that post on the FI section are well informed about EBAY turbos, there are many kids that are just getting started just like you and i did at one point too.


Modified by urbansi at 1:14 PM 9/12/2006

 

STICKY IN BOLD!

 

yawn

doesnt matter, the questions will STILL come dude.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by stackz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yawn

doesnt matter, the questions will STILL come dude. </TD></TR></TABLE>

yup. good thread tho

 

this is my turbo kit, i use it now 10.000tkm miles and all looks like new..
you cant use good for low turbo kit driving like 8-14 psi ,over boost high psi to use this turbo kit is not a good idea, is not a super sport race charger for 400-500hp..

???the neu products off ebay turbos ist with garanti neu dynamic + matrieal and better quality.

 

Before you make these statements. Show us proof that these turbos have failed and no I dont want to see that glued compressor housing. Show proof .

 

You just saved my alot of money.

Gutted i can't afford a turbo now!

 

Good, honestly i have had so many people thank me after they did a little research. Its tempting, but i like to think about it like this

-------Buy cheap, buy twice-------

 

Calm yourself, its not very JDM.

Manifold cracking
http://i31.photobucket.com/alb...2.jpg

Compressor housing cracked in half.



Now go away unles you cant search for yourself


Modified by urbansi at 3:12 PM 9/12/2006

 

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Answer my question Urbansi


<FONT SIZE="10"> SHOW PROOF ! </FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

You want proof, look around.

It all comes from personal experiences. Believe me, the quality of almost all the parts are ****.

But even then.. I run that wastegate on my daily driver without any problems.. but have had many problems with the manifold and the turbos (especially)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by urbansi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Calm yourself, its not very JDM.

Manifold cracking
http://i31.photobucket.com/alb...2.jpg

Compressor housing cracked in half.



Now go away unles you cant search for yourself


Modified by urbansi at 3:12 PM 9/12/2006</TD></TR></TABLE>


That picuture is from 2004 and it was proved by ssac themselves not to be a turbo from them. XSPOWER does not have XSPOWER stamped like that. Show your proof.

 

The fact that there are countless amounts of threads and people that have expierenced these products prematurely failing is proof enough.

I have personally seen 1 fail in one week due to underquality construction. I cant prove that aside from saying that i saw it with my own eyes, sorry i dont have pictures for your little bitch ***... but if i did, it would show a blown turbo that was ran for less than 7 days.

And honestly, if i told you that i had herpes would i have to take a picture of it for you to believe me, or would i have to dick slap you and have you contract it before you believed me.

GO AWAY YOU ARE CLUTTERING THIS THREAD WITH YOUR BULLSHIT.

 

why would you report him??? you are the one being an ******* in here buddy.

but on other notes. I have read and heard about ebay turbos messing up. But i do know a few people that have ran them for over 2 years with no problems. Its prob. the luck of the draw.

 

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because I ask to show proof .

 

don't be mad that you have an SSAC kit and we are trash talking it.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Turblow* &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


because I ask to show proof .</TD></TR></TABLE>

If your going to add something else to this thread it better be worthwhile.

-2%

 

Honestly if i really wanted to prove it i could, but you have the same red search button on the top of your screen as i do.

And if you were really that interested and not a little smart ***, you would find the questions to your answers yourself, and not rely on others like they have some obligation to prove something to you. Honestly buy their products all you want, i am just giving a heads up to people that there are fair superior products available than those advertized on Ebay.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B18 CYA &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">don't be mad that you have an SSAC kit and we are trash talking it.</TD></TR></TABLE>


I have a SC61 on my car .

 

I did not mean to come at UrbanSi that way but look at all the people that have had pure positive things with these turbos.


https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1730931


99% is positive.

 

This is the last time i will responde to you as if you were actually there.

This is to help people, not debate what they if infact are. I did as you can see write that not everyone has had a bad expierence with them...

If you do more searching into not only this website but others about them you will see their feedback on Ebay as well as the terrible customer service that most recieve from them. The bad heavily out weighs the good

So now vanish like a fart in the wind before you get banned.(still laughing that the mod took away points from you)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by urbansi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This is the last time i will responde to you as if you were actually there.

This is to help people, not debate what they if infact are. I did as you can see write that not everyone has had a bad expierence with them...

If you do more searching into not only this website but others about them you will see their feedback on Ebay as well as the terrible customer service that most recieve from them. The bad heavily out weighs the good

So now vanish like a fart in the wind before you get banned.(still laughing that the mod took away points from you)</TD></TR></TABLE>


:shakeshead:

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Turblow* &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I did not mean to come at UrbanSi that way but look at all the people that have had pure positive things with these turbos.


https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1730931


99% is positive.</TD></TR></TABLE>
agreed

 

no offense but how is this supose to help them when people are posting alot of good news about the cheaper turbos. and they had faults like 2-3 years ago, and thats when they first came out, everyone has trial and error, after two years of the problems they have amde improvements and after two years of figuring out the problems they make good stuff.

 

I think its just hit or miss with these turbos wastegates, etc. Also I think if you are running low boost 5-12psi then they should be fine, but if i was running higher boost than that then i would get some name brand parts!

so conclusion: Ebay parts are good for low boost applications.

 

Twice now I have had customers SSAC CHRAs fail and ruin my wideband sensor (soaked in oil). Four others have failed shortly after tuning. A total of SEVEN customers of mine have had manifold failure within a week of tuning. Besides that, I have about 6 or 7 others whom are making 350-450 wheel HP on these kits just fine. They are hit or miss, and even if they don't fail right away they are still junk on borrowed time.