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Modified by NICEHATCH at 6:15 PM 7/20/2008

 

First of all stock injectors are 345cc peak an hold.

For using vafc and a so-so header, you have realistic results. I'm actually surprised you gained 20whp over stock just with that. I believe you would benefit from a euro-R intake manifold and not a modified stock one. Alot of the guys hitting the higher hp numbers have much higher compression, aggressive cams (JUN III's, Sk2 stage 2), good IM matched to a larger throttle body, better header, head work, hondata....etc

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sivikvtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I believe you would benefit from a euro-R intake manifold and not a modified stock one. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I believe that a modified manifold will produce more power than a Euro-R.Dont get me wrong a heard good things about the Euro-R,single runner,no IAB.But i would go with the modified stocker.Only because i have seen the numbers.

 

so.........
where's the dyno of the euro-R intake manifold to compare the blacktrax to?? You would need that to support your argument

 

i like the thread but dyno power doesnt mean your running x.xx in the 1/4...be interested in the end results of this.

 

suscribing! have a friend with a h motor and thinks b series are weak!

also from my hearing from h builders is that the modified stock manifold does work better than any other aftermarket or not! just my 2 cents

 

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true that. I'm only making 173whp and 139ft lbs of torque and im running with 14.0 sec cars.

 

Holy hell, you dropped your 1/4 time by a sec with a 10whp gain?? This proves the point that track times comes down to more than hp. Clutch/flywheel, drive skills make a world of difference in drag times.

 

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what 10whp gain? I dont know what my car made with stock parts so saying i make 10whp over OTHER h22's isnt really a valid point considering i have a swap, rmf header, tuning, weight reduction (ps, ac, trunk), flywheel, clutch, tires, suspension.....and other misc stuff.

i havent been out to the track yet. But knowing the cars i run with, i can make an educated guess that i run a low 14.

 

It seems like most H22's put down 163-167whp, true? So based on that, you appear to have gained around 10whp. However, that dyno must have read low to make under 180whp with a good tune/header.

But, ultimately, track times and real world performance matter more than dyno hp numbers.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sivikvtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It seems like most H22's put down 163-167whp, true? So based on that, you appear to have gained around 10whp. However, that dyno must have read low to make under 180whp with a good tune/header.

But, ultimately, track times and real world performance matter more than dyno hp numbers.</TD></TR></TABLE>

yes and as we all know, dyno's read differently. There are h22's out there that have 220whp that could run the same times as a 250whp motor tuned on a different dyno.
This is why hp numbers dont mean **** as long as the motor is healthy. It's the actual graph that is important. Well, unless your running an h22 and it makes 110whp, LOL.

i'd like to go to the track soon. Everytime i try to go it friggin rains. i guess thats FLORIDA for yuh

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 98vtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Well, unless your running an h22 and it makes 110whp, LOL. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Unless youre going by HT standards, because in that case, since that dyno reads the lowest, it must be the most accurate and the best one to go to.

 

 

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also from my hearing from h builders is that the modified stock manifold does work better than any other aftermarket or not! just my 2 cents</TD></TR></TABLE>

The thing is most aftermarket manifolds for the h22 are built for turbo. which don't show much gains with NA.

I have not dyno'd my car but I have run at the track my mods are

Stock jdm h22
stock jdm p13 untuned.
aem cold air
POS header
no cat
resonator to matrix muffler
Piping is 2.25 or so.

motor has about 150-200k
centerforce clutch w/100k

car had 220k on stock suspension
tires were falken ziex 512 almost bald
full interior

ran a best 14.3 @ 98mph
I never ran worse then a 15.1

 

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Modified by NICEHATCH at 6:15 PM 7/20/2008

 

2point6 is well north of 250whp.

 

same with Frank and dave hickman.

 

Those motors are completely gutted and rebuilt though. Aren't K20 peeps making 250+whp on relatively stock blocks (stock displacement)? Does the VTC really make up for like 20-30whp?

 

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Modified by NICEHATCH at 6:16 PM 7/20/2008

 

jd3jdm is 250+ as well

 

Well I dont think anyone has ever claimed to make 230-250hp with a non-bored out H22 or H23 hybrid. As for that guy whose thread you put up (mean EG) that was back in '03. Look at his sig. says he's making 230 hp now.

 

bserious did a write up and on a stock internal h22 with f22 crank rods and pistons put down 227 or right around that number.

 

^^yup he had an h23 vtec on stock jdm cams locked in vtec and a race header, put out 227

i put in for the 200-230, I haven't hit the dyno recently, but open header I believe to be hitting 205+, though I guess only a 248c can tell....

 

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Modified by NICEHATCH at 6:16 PM 7/20/2008

 

Has anyone ever hit 200 whp in a completely stock internal jdm h22a just with tinkering with it...PnP etc...