Hey guys, I picked up a d15b8 complete longblock for my 95 EX coupe which I plan to make my daily driver. I need to put a new water pump on it, so I picked one up today and ran into a problem when switching out the old for the new - can't get the crank pulley bolt off in order to remove the timing cover.

Don't have air tools in the garage here at the house, and have tried the breaker bar/screwdriver @ the flywheel while trying to break the pulley bolt method, but to no avail.

Anyone with any ideas? Thanks

p.s. - longblock is upright on my garage floor, not in the car. we removed the tranny earlier today as well, to access the flywheel.


Modified by civperc at 10:49 PM 8/5/2006

 

If you search there are several methods DIYed.

Primarily,

1) taking off your starter and jamming something on the flywheel teeth.
2) Putting it into fifth and mash the brakes.
3) Going to a garage and paying someone $10 cash to break it lose for.
4) Buy the crank pully holder tool. ($30-$50 I think)

Hope this helps.
Cheers!

 

thanks for the feedback

(had searched but didn't find much)

I forgot to mention, the longblock is out of the car, not installed - which makes it not an option for us to really take it anywhere.

maybe I need to rent an air compressor and tools


Modified by civperc at 11:30 PM 8/5/2006

 

goood ideaaa good lick

 

hmmm i just had an idea...

1- secure the motor to the floor somehow
2- remove the flywheel
3- put 2 flywheel bolts in but not all the way
4- wedge a prybar between theese two bolts and the floor
5- use breaker bar to break it loose.

like so

BTW, did you take the timing pulley key out?

 

^ That will work just becareful with the bolts. Make sure there in there good so they dont end up bending or stripping the crank.

Another thing you could do is buy the crank tool. Place a big *** pipe on it then have at it.

 

25+ gallon air tank, about 120psi, 3/8" or 1/2" hose and fittings, and an Ingersol-Rand 2135Ti impact wrench. 1000ft-lbs of reverse torque; it handled anything i've thrown at it so far. The best $250 you'll ever spend on a impact wrench.

My friend snapped a breaker bar using one of those 1/2" crank pulley holders/stays to hold the pulley's large socket while turning the crank bolt.

 

I'd do what Sleepy_Red_hatch said because that usually doesn't fail, you can put the motor in a corner to stabilize it. Use the breaker bar and put a piece of PVC piping over it for extra leverage, the longer it is, the more torque you can create, that method's only failed me once on a crank bolt, but that one was a bitch, wouldn't come out w/ any impact wrench, ended up taking it to a truck stop where they have those impact wrenches for trucks that are teh size of jack hammers and produce rediculously high ammounts of torque - that got i off O.o...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chrisw85 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">25+ gallon air tank, about 120psi, 3/8" or 1/2" hose and fittings, and an Ingersol-Rand 2135Ti impact wrench. 1000ft-lbs of reverse torque; it handled anything i've thrown at it so far. The best $250 you'll ever spend on a impact wrench.

My friend snapped a breaker bar using one of those 1/2" crank pulley holders/stays to hold the pulley's large socket while turning the crank bolt.</TD></TR></TABLE>

OH MAN the 2135Ti has saved my life on various occasions....best 200$ i've ever spent!

 

Unless you do serious work on cars often, I see an air compressor/impact wrench as a complete waste of money. Sure it helps, but I'd rather not spend the money on something I'll rarely use. .

That said, go to Lowes or wherever and get a $10 steel pipe like 5 or 6 feet long. Use that for the extra torque. If you are having trouble keeping the pulley from turning with the bolt, you're either going to have to get the pulley bolt holder tool on ebay or do some creative fabrication to keep it in place. That's what I had to do.

 

thanks guys, I tried Sleepy's method today and still to no avail. We nearly snapped a THICK screwdriver via the flywheel bolts

It's clear to me now that I need air tools, so I contacted a local guy selling a tank and hopefully I'll pick up an impact this week as well so I can get this job done already. I don't really mind buying the air tool equipment because I'm going to be in need of it a lot in the upcoming months.

Thanks for everyone's feedback

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by civperc &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thanks guys, I tried Sleepy's method today and still to no avail. We nearly snapped a THICK screwdriver via the flywheel bolts

It's clear to me now that I need air tools, so I contacted a local guy selling a tank and hopefully I'll pick up an impact this week as well so I can get this job done already. I don't really mind buying the air tool equipment because I'm going to be in need of it a lot in the upcoming months.

Thanks for everyone's feedback </TD></TR></TABLE>

Get the Ingersol-Rand 2135TI or the quiet version 2135QTi and you'll be set. A 20+ gallon tank would be ideal as well. I would suggest an oil-drive compressor if you are looking for something that will be a bit more quiet than an oil-free.

 

back in the day when i didnt have tools ive used a 1/2 ratchet with the 17mm on it and used like a 4 pound hammer and hit it a few times and it broke loose, ive done it a few times on motors out of the car

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by civperc &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thanks for the feedback
I forgot to mention, the longblock is out of the car, not installed - which makes it not an option for us to really take it anywhere.
Modified by civperc at 11:30 PM 8/5/2006</TD></TR></TABLE>

That makes it easier to take it somewhere. Man-up and throw that block into some mode of transport to a place with torque and be done with it.
Do not say this isn't feasible.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by chrisw85 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Get the Ingersol-Rand 2135TI or the quiet version 2135QTi and you'll be set. A 20+ gallon tank would be ideal as well. I would suggest an oil-drive compressor if you are looking for something that will be a bit more quiet than an oil-free.</TD></TR></TABLE>

thanks for the suggestion The tank the local guy I msg'd is 20 gal I believe, so that'll work out well. I'll inquire as to whether it's oil-drive or oil-free I appreciate the feeback.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B and B &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That makes it easier to take it somewhere. Man-up and throw that block into some mode of transport to a place with torque and be done with it.
Do not say this isn't feasible.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I literally didn't have a way to bring it to my good friends' shop this weekend. no pickup truck or the time to take off the head to move only the block, etc. I'm fully aware it's feasible to transport the longblock, hell, I brought it home from the guy I bought it from didn't I?

 

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OH MAN the 2135Ti has saved my life on various occasions....best 200$ i've ever spent!
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Son of a bitch! $200 for that gun I remember paying $399.99 for that gun when it first came out like 4-5 years ago. Best gun I've ever owned. I also have the 2115ti 3/8ths. That little bitch is stupidly strong.

 

I didnt read any of the replies afte the first one because i know it would b saying things abot jamming a screw driver in your flywheel and all that. thats for ghetto mechanics...yes i know shops do it too but last time that happened they fucked up my friends trany casing. just get the actual tool to take it off. $25 and ull do it the RIGHT way...

http://www.amazon.com/gp/produ...=UTF8

thats what i got and it woked 100% well. ppl might say "what? r u crazy? you bought tools off of AMAZON???? go to a real tool store". amazon.com doenst make the parts at all, its just a market place to sell tools at. Just like the music they sell, they dont sign the artists do they?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by imadigitalgod &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I didnt read any of the replies afte the first one because i know it would b saying things abot jamming a screw driver in your flywheel and all that. thats for ghetto mechanics...yes i know shops do it too but last time that happened they fucked up my friends trany casing. just get the actual tool to take it off. $25 and ull do it the RIGHT way...

http://www.amazon.com/gp/produ...=UTF8

thats what i got and it woked 100% well. ppl might say "what? r u crazy? you bought tools off of AMAZON???? go to a real tool store". amazon.com doenst make the parts at all, its just a market place to sell tools at. Just like the music they sell, they dont sign the artists do they?</TD></TR></TABLE>

So you are saying that you are a professional mechanic?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B20 EJ6 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

So you are saying that you are a professional mechanic?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Did I say I was? I said Its the ghetto way to do it. Pinpoint where I said i was a professional please Idk why people get that way when they know they are not doin it the correct way. Besies spending the $25 will still keep the project way under what a shop would charge to do this.

I do things exacly how it is supposed to be done on a car; i don't do any "wedging" or "jamming of anything. Yes the screwdriver way might work but i get the right tools for the job, especially after my friends trany case being cracked...if it was done the right way with the holder tool, that wouldnt have happened.

 

Put the tranny back on. Remove the starter. Stick a big flat head screw driver through there and have somebody hold it as you loosen up the Crank Pulley.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by imadigitalgod &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I didnt read any of the replies afte the first one because i know it would b saying things abot jamming a screw driver in your flywheel and all that. thats for ghetto mechanics...yes i know shops do it too but last time that happened they fucked up my friends trany casing. just get the actual tool to take it off. $25 and ull do it the RIGHT way...

http://www.amazon.com/gp/produ...=UTF8

thats what i got and it woked 100% well. ppl might say "what? r u crazy? you bought tools off of AMAZON???? go to a real tool store". amazon.com doenst make the parts at all, its just a market place to sell tools at. Just like the music they sell, they dont sign the artists do they?</TD></TR></TABLE>

dude, thank you! I may go ahead and pick this up instead of droppin money on air tools first. woot! this is why I have faith in h-t, because of stand-up guys like you. I was reading my Civic chilton/haynes when starting on the task, and it suggested the flywheel tooth method, and I thought there HAD to be a better way. seemed so lame, now I'll be able to pass on info about this bolt remover tool

 

easyest way is to eiter femove the clutch dust cover or the starter and jam a screw driver into the flywheel teet, then snag a nice 3fy braker bar and man up.

worked great for me.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by speedjunky01 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

easyest way is to eiter femove the clutch dust cover or the starter and jam a screw driver into the flywheel teet, then snag a nice 3fy braker bar and man up.

worked great for me.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i know its worked for many people, its just i dont like to jam things onto other things that arent designed to do that. especially when that thig that happened to my friends trany happened.

But about the <U>easiest</U>? no. for me the easiest is using the proper tool because all i do is put the pulley holder on, stick my breaker bar extendion through the hole of the holder and i have it set. way quicker than doin it the ghetto way.

 

my dumb *** used a chain wrench the first time

ive learned my lesson since

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MilanoCivic97 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my dumb *** used a chain wrench the first time

ive learned my lesson since</TD></TR></TABLE>

eww i can see what resulted in that lol...that sux tho. when i was getitng the extension bar at sears, they told me to use the chain thing also...but i said no to that