i have a fully built b-20 motor but i want 2 use alcohol and ii need help from the pro'sss. let me know if n e body knows bout it

 

Im pretty sure the basic rule of thumb is you need to just about double your fuel as compared to gasoline. I know this is what carb guys do, so it should be pretty much around the same i would think.

 

use the search. there is tons of good info on the topic that i used to help me with my setup

 

get a mechanical fuel pump such as Waterman or DSR. get a saftey relief valve. get a nice weldon regulator. get 8 1600's. all -6 xrp fuel line after the pump. with a -12 from the tank to the pump. then go to town.

 

Is it A turbo deal or NA?

 

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i knew the volume neded was sick but 8 x 1600's didnt know it was that much.

 

all motor and you'll be fine with an electric pump.

Turbo you'll definitely want a mech pump.

 

oil system should be addressed also

 

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LOL There is allot of things you have to do.You don't just slam a fuel system on and go.Like prostock said .Your going to have to change your oil at the end of every day.You have to run gas through the motor at the end of the day. And at the end of the weekend you have to get all that alcohol out of the fuel system or it turns into sand.
Also you have to advance your timing. Alcohol burns a ton slower than gas so you have to light it sooner than gas.And thats why you have to change your oil so much sooner. There is so much more fuel needed allot more goes past the rings.And it turns your oil into baby ****. lol
And why do you want to run alcohol anyway?There is no big HP advantage with a NA motor.

 

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Your going to have to change your oil at the end of every day.You have to run gas through the motor at the end of the day. </TD></TR></TABLE>
changed mine every other pass

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RMF &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Your going to have to change your oil at the end of every day.
You have to run gas through the motor at the end of the day. And at the end of the weekend you have to get all that alcohol out of the fuel system or it turns into sand.
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Not necessary true..
I have cars that run the same oil for quite a while. Poorly tuned cars or poorly built engines and yes you'll have lots of meth mixed in your oil otherwise it'll be just fine.

many people believe running the car with gas afterwards is the right thing to do. I've actually had worse experiences doing this. Mixing gas with meth is worse. It'll eat up the diaphrams in the fuel regulators. It's better to just empty your fuel lines and then spray wd40 thru out your lines/rails..

alcohol makes more power and is very forgiving on a motor.
i would use it whenever possible.

 

it wont magicly turn into sand overnight... maybe over a long period of time (6 months)

as enzo said. the oil dont need to be changed every pass. that was due to a poor tune up.

we use royal purple racing 41 in our engine and havent had a contamination problem yet. we try to change it after every "outing" but it can most definitly still be used.... we dont get baby ****.

 

I have worked on fuel and alcohol cars and boats most of my life. And we just use a squirt bottle with gas in it to shut it down .Thats if for some reason we didn't get to make a pass.Because if the car made a pass it got tore down anyway.
And as for making more power if you don't raise the compression and change the cams and the timing. You will NOT make anymore power.Just by switching to alcohol.Yes it does have a bigger tuning window.But that doesn't make more power.

If anyone has just switched to alcohol from gas and made more power would you please show the dyno sheets.And i don't mean like 3 or 4 more hp .This NA now not turbo or SC. With a turbo motor you can run 14:1 comp. and 35lbs boost . And there is no way you can do that with gas

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by prostock &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">oil system should be addressed also</TD></TR></TABLE> Why??? We run stock honda pump straight out of the box. Done it for two years never had a failure.
Our 2005 season motor had 120 passes on it.

We change oil every race, half of the time it doesn't need it.


oh...sorry we run ethanol.

 

Righ right

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by FMUNK &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Why??? We run stock honda pump straight out of the box. Done it for two years never had a failure.
Our 2005 season motor had 120 passes on it.

We change oil every race, half of the time it doesn't need it.


oh...sorry we run ethanol.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i never felt comfortable leaving that coffee in my motor for very long, i was using vp m1 methanol don't know if it makes a difference. but anyhow after like 2 or three pulls on the dyno it would look horrible so i just made it a point to change it religiously, at the track no more than 2 passes and i never had a single bearing issue

 

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i never felt comfortable leaving that coffee in my motor for very long, i was using vp m1 methanol don't know if it makes a difference. but anyhow after like 2 or three pulls on the dyno it would look horrible so i just made it a point to change it religiously, at the track no more than 2 passes and i never had a single bearing issue</TD></TR></TABLE>
i guess what i was getting at was an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure

 

Does this pertain to water methanol injection as well?

 

I belive you can conwert gasoline a/f to alcohol like this and it would contain simular energy.


Type of fuel / A/F
Gasoline =12:1
Ethanol =9:1
Metanol = 6:1

 

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I made the switch, and all we did was change the fuel pump and injectors, and it made 15hp more on a dynojet. I dont have the sheets for proof but i know what i saw.

 

alcohol makes more power period...

 

i've got a camaro that i do bracket racing with, it is mechanically fuel injected (kinsler with 8- 2 5/8 inch stacks) that is on alcohol. The only reason that you should have a problem with the oil is if the motor is poorly tuned or if the engine is not properly built. it has a mechanical fuel pump and i dont run it on gas before letting it sit, all i do is cut the shutoff valve off that is after the fuel pump and it leans the motor out and then i just kill it. got 20+ passes this year and pleanty of idling in the garage etc... no problems yet, were still tuning it on the new setup. Hope this helps.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B16Civic93 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i've got a camaro that i do bracket racing with, it is mechanically fuel injected (kinsler with 8- 2 5/8 inch stacks) that is on alcohol. The only reason that you should have a problem with the oil is if the motor is poorly tuned or if the engine is not properly built. it has a mechanical fuel pump and i dont run it on gas before letting it sit, all i do is cut the shutoff valve off that is after the fuel pump and it leans the motor out and then i just kill it. got 20+ passes this year and pleanty of idling in the garage etc... no problems yet, were still tuning it on the new setup. Hope this helps.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Most people arent aware of this. They believe the myths and are scared to run it.
What they should know is cars can completely run on ethanol and be used every day and pass emissions if tuned properly.

I think what's probably happening here is most guys are probably using synthec oils and dont' realise that they don't mix with alcohol. So there probably running a bit on the rich side and mixing some alcohol with their oil and it's instantly turning into a milkshake coffee coolatta, etc..

you need to use regular oil or castor based oil so you don't have any issues

 

If you want some direct help with your race car setup/tuneup then contact Enzo or myself, we are both near your area.

 

Here is a link to basic rule as far as power goes if tuned right
http://www.smokemup.com/tech/fuels.php