so i went to the das station with one of my buddies and as he's pumping 91 into his gsr, i notice a white sticker that sat 10% ethanol. What do you think its doing to the motor?

 

eh i heard people mixing that stuff..but personally i wouldnt put it in my car

92+ 93.

 

It isn't "doing" anything to his motor, and such ethanol blends are approved by auto manufacturers (including Honda) for use in gasoline vehicles. Though it lowers certain emissions and theoretically reduces the per-gallon cost of fuel, the one downside is a very slight reduction in fuel economy due to ethanol's lower energy content.

 

what about paint reducer/thinner for octane booster?...sorry wrong question for this post but im curious..anyone know?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by project_B18C1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what about paint reducer/thinner for octane booster?...sorry wrong question for this post but im curious..anyone know?</TD></TR></TABLE> I too am curious

 

Search H-T or Google for "toluene".

 

Noting less than 92 octane goes near my car, as for ethenol, I think its for nothing more than to bring down the price of gas. just my .02

 

For you guys that aren't boosted dont worry about it. Ethanol by nature will cause your engine to run leaner but thats why only 10% is added. Your O2 sensor can compensate for it.

 

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Toluene is the buck nasty stuff, but most paint stores have it..... It is an excellent octane booster

 

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Where do you get 92 in LA? I only see 91 around here.

 

They use ethonal in formula 1 racing cars so i don't think its any harm to your motor.

 

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Toluene is the buck nasty stuff, but most paint stores have it..... It is an excellent octane booster </TD></TR></TABLE>
you need to use too much of it though for it to be worth it. scc has an article on it.

 

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^wut he said

if you are tuned on non ethanol gas and sare now running gas with ethanol you can easily lean out and have some bad problems


it would be a smart idea to be tuned useing the ethanol that way if u do ever get gas without it you will only rich out and not have problems


**by the way this is in the top end of the powerband

 

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Somewhat true... but E10 cleans out your fuel system clogging up your filters, injectors, and eats away at your rubber lines that werent designed to handle any alcohol content. It lowers emissions but gets worse gas mileage so your actually using more fuel. Its a weaker burn so the fuel system has to add more gas or a richer content to feel the same amount of power compared to regular fuel.

The stuff sucks and doesnt help out the environment at all and actually causes more problems. I wouldnt put that crap in my car at all!

 

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The stuff sucks and doesnt help out the environment at all and actually causes more problems. I wouldnt put that crap in my car at all!</TD></TR></TABLE>

I dont have a choice, every pump in my area has 10% Ethanol

 

I think you guys aren't understanding this whole ethanol thing. Ethanol is actually meant to improve the performance of the gasoline. Why are you talking about how bad it is?
This is from a website so that my statements have slightly more validity:

Benefits of Ethanol Blends

Millions of Americans have driven billions of trouble-free miles using ethanol-blended gasoline over the past quarter century. The majority of this gasoline has been E-10 Unleaded, a blend of 10 percent ethanol and 90 percent ordinary unleaded gasoline. However, E85 (85 percent ethanol and 15 percent ordinary gasoline) is rapidly becoming an important part of the nation’s fuel supply.

Approved for use by every major automaker in the world, E-10 Unleaded provides a number of benefits for drivers:

Additional octane: The ethanol in E-10 Unleaded adds two to three points of octane to ordinary gasoline, helping improve engine performance.
Cleaner fuel injectors: Ethanol helps prevent the build-up of power-robbing deposits in fuel injection systems.
A gas line antifreeze: Ethanol suspends moisture in the fuel systems, eliminating the need for gas tank additives in cold weather.
Cleaner air: Ethanol reduces toxic emissions in engine exhaust, helping keep America’s air cleaner.

 

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The stuff sucks and doesnt help out the environment at all and actually causes more problems. I wouldnt put that crap in my car at all!</TD></TR></TABLE>
Have you ever seen ethanol burn? You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Ethanol helps emissions. And you do put it in your car everytime you fill up at the gas station.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ForceFed_Motorsports &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">E10 cleans out your fuel system clogging up your filters, injectors</TD></TR></TABLE>

Cleaning out your fuel system isn't a bad thing, and a fuel system that contains so much buildup that it clogs filters and injectors when it begins to be released by an ethanol blend was not performing optimally in the first place. Again, blends up to 10% are approved by essentially every manufacturer for use in their engines and fuel systems. Honda and Acura owners manuals specifically state this.

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Yes, the issue of lower fuel economy has been addressed, but the difference in MPG is not terribly great in most cases.

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The stuff sucks and doesnt help out the environment at all and actually causes more problems. I wouldnt put that crap in my car at all!</TD></TR></TABLE>

The environmental issues are debatable depending upon one's perspective, but the point is moot, because the chances are good that you've already been using an ethanol blend in your vehicle. Since the recent elimination of MTBE, ethanol is being used in varying amounts in nearly every state's fuel supply.

I am not attempting to argue for or against ethanol blended fuels, rather to address some of the recent and mostly unfounded concerns that many individuals seem to have. Is E10 a wonder fuel? No, but it certainly isn't going to spell the demise of your engine, or cost you much, if any, more than the older blends it has replaced.

 

How well does 85% Ethanol ward off detonation, I could give a flying *** about emissions and keeping my fuel lines from freezing, im worried about boosting 16-17lb on the street and popping my motor cause I got corn in my tank

 

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You don't want to run your gasoline engine on E85, because unlike the other blends, this will cause issues in a vehicle not designed for its use.

 

What about the 10% Stuff?

 

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so spend $5 a gallon on leaded race gas. Ethanol does improve the octane rating though.

 

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That is the stuff you put in your car at every gas station. Seriously. It is not bad.

 

Wow you really dont know what the hell your talking about... Ive just completed my first year of tech school and we have learned about all that stuff already. I do know what ethonal is and that it isnt meant for an engine that isnt designed for it.

The quotes you have are probably from the producers of it and they do support it because its cheaper for them and it makes you have to fill up more.

Cleaning out your fuel system isnt bad but yes it does clog up items that cost you a fortune. Also, it cleans out the holding tanks at the pumps which gives you crap gas thats full of grit and dirt. Overall it is bad and actually is worse for the environment... which is the main reason as to why they are even producing it. Please leave the technical issues to the proffesionals.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ForceFed_Motorsports &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wow you really dont know what the hell your talking about... Ive just completed my first year of tech school and we have learned about all that stuff already. I do know what ethonal is and that it isnt meant for an engine that isnt designed for it.

The quotes you have are probably from the producers of it and they do support it because its cheaper for them and it makes you have to fill up more.

Cleaning out your fuel system isnt bad but yes it does clog up items that cost you a fortune. Also, it cleans out the holding tanks at the pumps which gives you crap gas thats full of grit and dirt. Overall it is bad and actually is worse for the environment... which is the main reason as to why they are even producing it. Please leave the technical issues to the proffesionals.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You are correct that it is bad for vehicles not designed for it....
but guess what, every vehicle from the late 80's on is designed to use the 10% blends so STFU with your "First Year of Tech School" jabbar

And they have filters from the holding tanks to the pumps, so all the "crap gas" really does not have "grit and dirt"

You really learned a lot at Tech School