Autopower Rollbar Pictures After Violent Rollover Incident
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Autopower Rollbar Pictures After Violent Rollover Incident
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1495699&page=1 <-That thread has pictures of an Autopower bolt-in four point rollbar installed in an EG, which car was subsequently involved in a violent rollover.
In view of the popularity of the Autopower bars, I felt it might be of interest.
In view of the popularity of the Autopower bars, I felt it might be of interest.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by T2C »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">makes me want to get one </TD></TR></TABLE>
Well, if you do get one for your street car, make sure it's well padded. From the way the car's ripped up, I would guess that it's entirely likely that some of the injuries they sustained might have been caused by contact with the rollbar.
The seat squabs bent just as they were designed, and this increased the likelihood that they made contact with the rollbar at the height of the most violent part of the crash.
The way the squabs bent, it seems to me possible that both heads made contact with the rollbar.
However, there's no doubt the rollbar seems to have greatly improved the chance of survivability in this particular accident.
I'm posting this just for the information about how the Autopower unit actually performs in a violent rollover. If you read the original thread, you will realise that there were some serious life-changing, horrible injuries sustained in the accident, and you will also realise that the car was involved in some patently unsafe activities at the time.
Well, if you do get one for your street car, make sure it's well padded. From the way the car's ripped up, I would guess that it's entirely likely that some of the injuries they sustained might have been caused by contact with the rollbar.
The seat squabs bent just as they were designed, and this increased the likelihood that they made contact with the rollbar at the height of the most violent part of the crash.
The way the squabs bent, it seems to me possible that both heads made contact with the rollbar.
However, there's no doubt the rollbar seems to have greatly improved the chance of survivability in this particular accident.
I'm posting this just for the information about how the Autopower unit actually performs in a violent rollover. If you read the original thread, you will realise that there were some serious life-changing, horrible injuries sustained in the accident, and you will also realise that the car was involved in some patently unsafe activities at the time.
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Re: (George Knighton)
Oh my god!!!!! you're so lucky to have got out of that that bar definatly did it's job
hope everyone's ok.
I was in a roll over unfortulatly we didnt have a bar but we both walked away,but we still bear the scars
the sunroof was the main problem for me 
Modified by capzuk at 5:58 AM 6/4/2006
hope everyone's ok.
I was in a roll over unfortulatly we didnt have a bar but we both walked away,but we still bear the scars
the sunroof was the main problem for me Modified by capzuk at 5:58 AM 6/4/2006
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Odd, there is a 01 GSR in back of my shop that had a bad roll over and a few end over ends and the roof remains intact? So strange how some fair well and others fail like that. Scary none the less..
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by capzuk »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Oh my god!!!!! you're so lucky to have got out of that that bar definatly did it's job
hope everyone's ok.</TD></TR></TABLE>
dude, read the thread. George was not in that car.
and apparently everyone wasn't ok...someone posted near the end of the thread that he was the passenger and is basically a quadraplegic.
hope everyone's ok.</TD></TR></TABLE>
dude, read the thread. George was not in that car.
and apparently everyone wasn't ok...someone posted near the end of the thread that he was the passenger and is basically a quadraplegic.
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Re: Autopower Rollbar Pictures After Violent Rollover Incident (George Knighton)
That's not the first rollover I've seen that a rollbar Autopower or otherwise did it's job.
In the other post it is mentioned that the driver was not belted in and was flung from the car, as well you can see the bar is not padded and stock seats and belts were used. I wonder how much of that contributed to the horrible injury that the passenger endured after the driver made some pretty sad and life altering decisions that day.
In the other post it is mentioned that the driver was not belted in and was flung from the car, as well you can see the bar is not padded and stock seats and belts were used. I wonder how much of that contributed to the horrible injury that the passenger endured after the driver made some pretty sad and life altering decisions that day.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rene M »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Odd, there is a 01 GSR in back of my shop that had a bad roll over and a few end over ends and the roof remains intact? So strange how some fair well and others fail like that. Scary none the less.. </TD></TR></TABLE>
depends how it lands. heres my buddies roll over, no cage or bar installed. Compartment held up pretty well considering the rest of the car. I think this one was more end over end as well. he was out of the hospital the same night with only a bump on his head and a concusion (he doesnt remember the accident though). scary ****.
depends how it lands. heres my buddies roll over, no cage or bar installed. Compartment held up pretty well considering the rest of the car. I think this one was more end over end as well. he was out of the hospital the same night with only a bump on his head and a concusion (he doesnt remember the accident though). scary ****.
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Sure they survived but if the time is taken to read that entire thread I must say I'd like to have seen an on track experience or at least one with a less sad and retarded story being used to boast about the Autopowers sucess...
90 mph on backroads, the car flipped 7 times...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ross »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and apparently everyone wasn't ok...someone posted near the end of the thread that he was the passenger and is basically a quadraplegic.</TD></TR></TABLE>
...and it wasnt even his choice to have ended up like that....
I do own an AP bar, fully padded with a Recaro SPG as the driver seat, however I dont ever expect I'll need the assistance of it off track...
90 mph on backroads, the car flipped 7 times...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ross »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and apparently everyone wasn't ok...someone posted near the end of the thread that he was the passenger and is basically a quadraplegic.</TD></TR></TABLE>
...and it wasnt even his choice to have ended up like that....
I do own an AP bar, fully padded with a Recaro SPG as the driver seat, however I dont ever expect I'll need the assistance of it off track...
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both people in the car are friends of mine, so i figured i'd clear up the misinformation in this thread.
actually if you read the entire thread, you would see that they were going 65 according to the owner/passenger in the car. the driver wasn't belter in, and he's the one that's partially paralized. the passenger had a few staples in his arm, and that was pretty much it.
personally, i don't think it's a good idea to have a roll cage or roll bar in a daily driver. they're designed for track use, and when used in a street driven car, it can prove disastrous.
unless you're wearing a helmet and have a race bucket, it's probably going to hurt more than help.
actually if you read the entire thread, you would see that they were going 65 according to the owner/passenger in the car. the driver wasn't belter in, and he's the one that's partially paralized. the passenger had a few staples in his arm, and that was pretty much it.
personally, i don't think it's a good idea to have a roll cage or roll bar in a daily driver. they're designed for track use, and when used in a street driven car, it can prove disastrous.
unless you're wearing a helmet and have a race bucket, it's probably going to hurt more than help.
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I removed my 4-point roll bar yesterday, simply for the fact to utilize my back seat for passengers. I definately don't feel as safe anymore with it gone. Also, I just sold my harnesses and my Recaros and felt the OEM seats and a roll bar were not a good combination for safety.
One thing that I always thought about was the horizontal bar running between the main hoop. As George was talking about the seats breaking and doing their job, I don't feel this would happen at all with the configuration of the hoop I had. My roll bar was also a weld in.
What I'm getting at is after seeing the pictures of that Civic with the Autopower roll bar...I feel that even a roll bar is not sufficient enough.
But what is enough? A full cage? A full cage with the door bars?
Interesting thread George. I feel personal safety should be everyones mind.
One thing that I always thought about was the horizontal bar running between the main hoop. As George was talking about the seats breaking and doing their job, I don't feel this would happen at all with the configuration of the hoop I had. My roll bar was also a weld in.
What I'm getting at is after seeing the pictures of that Civic with the Autopower roll bar...I feel that even a roll bar is not sufficient enough.
But what is enough? A full cage? A full cage with the door bars?
Interesting thread George. I feel personal safety should be everyones mind.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bald »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">both people in the car are friends of mine, so i figured i'd clear up the misinformation in this thread.
actually if you read the entire thread, you would see that they were going 65 according to the owner/passenger in the car. the driver wasn't belter in, and he's the one that's partially paralized. the passenger had a few staples in his arm, and that was pretty much it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
So why is there a dude posting in there saying that he's paralyzed from the waist down?
actually if you read the entire thread, you would see that they were going 65 according to the owner/passenger in the car. the driver wasn't belter in, and he's the one that's partially paralized. the passenger had a few staples in his arm, and that was pretty much it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
So why is there a dude posting in there saying that he's paralyzed from the waist down?
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First thing I thought when looking at those pics was "skull meets bar = braindead". I guess I wasn't too far off... 
Y'know, George, I remember having a talk with you at Summit about how the rollbar/seat/harness thing has to work as a system, and that pushed me to not add any one part individually, but rather wait until I had everything together. Sure am glad I did that.
Y'know, George, I remember having a talk with you at Summit about how the rollbar/seat/harness thing has to work as a system, and that pushed me to not add any one part individually, but rather wait until I had everything together. Sure am glad I did that.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Ross »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">So why is there a dude posting in there saying that he's paralyzed from the waist down?</TD></TR></TABLE>
i said partially beause he has some movement in his feet. plus someone else posted that he was a quadrapalegic which would indicate paralization from the neck down.
i said partially beause he has some movement in his feet. plus someone else posted that he was a quadrapalegic which would indicate paralization from the neck down.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bald »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
actually if you read the entire thread, you would see that they were going 65 according to the owner/passenger in the car. the driver wasn't belter in, and he's the one that's partially paralized. the passenger had a few staples in his arm, and that was pretty much it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Reguardless of how fast exactly they were going they were going too fast for the road. And absolutely no one can argue this because the only thing that would make you crash if you were going the speed limit is ice.
And if you look at the pics you can see where the roof didnt cave in b/c of the passengers head, theres also blood stains in the same spot on the inside.
actually if you read the entire thread, you would see that they were going 65 according to the owner/passenger in the car. the driver wasn't belter in, and he's the one that's partially paralized. the passenger had a few staples in his arm, and that was pretty much it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Reguardless of how fast exactly they were going they were going too fast for the road. And absolutely no one can argue this because the only thing that would make you crash if you were going the speed limit is ice.
And if you look at the pics you can see where the roof didnt cave in b/c of the passengers head, theres also blood stains in the same spot on the inside.
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Re: (bald)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bald »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i said partially beause he has some movement in his feet. plus someone else posted that he was a quadrapalegic which would indicate paralization from the neck down.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Dude, there is a guy in there claiming to have been the passenger, saying that he got paralyzed and was using special tools to type. What really happened?
Dude, there is a guy in there claiming to have been the passenger, saying that he got paralyzed and was using special tools to type. What really happened?
