Rick's B16 on 93 octane, 18 psi:



Dan's B18 on 116 octane, injectors maxed out at 25 psi:



Rizzo's stroked B16 on 116 octane, injectors maxed out at 28 psi:



Pump gas:


Peak:


LONG day. Great numbers by all. Big props to Dave for his tuning skills.

Details on the setups coming soon.

 

dammm, nice numbers. Patiently waiting on the setups

 

look like the vtec could be set @ a lower rpm to get rid of that plateau/jump on the graph.

good job guys

 

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Damn wire glore

Setup looks good and good power

 

Good stuff!


I wouldn't want to see this one with 0 smoothing

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Looks like the ignition was breaking up or boost wasn't holding care to explain?

 

Mind sharing Ricks's setup? thanks

 

The stroked B16 looks whack up top.

 

Real nice numbers!

 

Rick's B16:
Golden Ealgle block, stoke bore, stock stroke
Wiseco 9:1 pistons, strutted and coated (Thanks Import Builders)
Eagle rods
DPR ported head w/ valve job and chamber work (Thanks DPR!)
Ferrea valves, springs, and retainers
GSR cams
Moroso oil pan
Full-Race GT35R Stage 3GT turbo kit
Precision 1000 cc/min injectors
AEM EMS
JG Edelbrok intake manifold
BDL 70mm throttle body
BDL adjustable cam gears
AEM fuel rail and pressure regulator
Walbro 255 lph hp fuel pump
MSD cap, coil, wires, and digital 6 box
NGK 8 plugs
Fluidyne radiator
ACT Max Extreme 6 puck clutch
Long block built by me
SuprDave tuned

This is a brand new motor. We broke it in on Tuesday. He just wanted to see what it would do on pump gas. This thing at 30 psi is going to tear it up.


Modified by ranta18 at 8:37 PM 5/27/2006

 

Rizzo's stoked B16:

ERL Performance Superdeck II block (B16A2 w/ pressed in deck for 1.8 LS crank and 1.8 darton sleeves)
JE 81.5mm 9:1 pistons
Crower rods
DPR ported head w/ valve job and chamber work (Thanks DPR!)
Manley stainless steel valves
Skunk2 springs and retainers
GSR cams
JG Edelbroke intake manifold
BDL 68mm throttle body
Skunk2 cam gears
Precision SC61 turbo w/ ported S cover
Nuekin top mount exhaust manifold and 4" down pipe
Tial wastegate and blow off valve
3" Thermal exhaust
Precision 880 injectors
Walbro 255 lph hp fuel pump
AEM fuel rail and pressure regulator
Endyn crankcase breather kit
AEM EMS and C2DI
Greddy Profec B boost controller
ACT Extreme 6 puck clutch
MSD cap and wires
NGK 8 plugs
Moroso oil pan
SuprDave tuned

From last month...https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1580720

Rizzo... correct me on anything I missed

 

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Looks more like an ignition problem too me, i could be wrong though.

 

Dan's B18

I don't know too much about the setup, but I'll give it a shot

B18C sleeved block, stock crank
9:1 pistons
JG Edelbrock intake manfiold
BDL 70mm throttle body
AEM cam gears
Haltech E6K
MSD cap, wires, coil, and digital 6 box
NGK 8 plugs
OBX turbo manifold
T3/T67 turbo
3" down pipe
Tial wastegate and blow off valve
Moroso oil pan
AEM fuel rail
Greddy Profec B boost controller
SuprDave tuned

Dan... correct me if I'm wrong or missed anything

 

I was having some issues with the boost being stable. But I think we got it figured out. The passes made at high boost were creeping up to the posted psi (28 psi pass was mostly 25-26 psi for most of the run) but I am happy with what it puts down for the moment. and will fine tune it after I straightened out and post an update.

 

I believe that is 0 smoothing

 

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Thats not VTEC, thats just the turbo. You an see VTEC before it at around 4800. But yeah, it jumps around 240 hp in a 1000 rpm spand!

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I think Dave was saying it was due to the AEM beging set to a boost comp map and there being small fluctuations in the boost levels that the map sensor was seeing. The long top mount manifold could contribute to that.

SuprDave's secret Haltech tuning method:


LOL!

 

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Thats not VTEC, thats just the turbo. You an see VTEC before it at around 4800. But yeah, it jumps around 240 hp in a 1000 rpm span!

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everygraph that you posted has that jump. its the vtec coming on tooo late. we run a GT42 on our cars so i know about boost coming on hard, and it doesnt look anything like your graphs.

 

VTEC is at around 4800 already. This is a SC61. Your GT42 is A LOT bigger. They will come on different. I'll let Dave try and explain since he was the tuner.



Modified by ranta18 at 8:55 PM 5/30/2006

 

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maybe its cause the b16's are struggling to spool up them turbo's ? the gsr graph doesnt seem to have a big of jump like the b16 graphs do.


here is my ls/vtec t3/t67 graph for comparison.

 

Its a 1.8L 89mm stroke B16. It spools it up FAST. You're comparing a GT42 and a T3/T67. Look at how much faster the SC61 comes on compared to the T3/T67 from the last dyno I posted. They are both 1.8L engines at around the same amount of boost. The SC61 is making peak tq at around 6100.


Modified by ranta18 at 8:56 PM 5/30/2006

 

that ls vtec graph stil shows a 200hp jump within a 1000 rpm and that is dyno is 100 hp les than mine which we would be about the same as mine at higher #s you will see a possible 240 jump in hp also.

mine is a 1.8 also but I don't know what your talking about 1.6s for anyway Ricks b16/35r combo is very nice and comes in the same as Dans b18

 

im talking about all of your graphs, not just one of them. if i could find one of our gt42r dyno's id post it. we dont get a little "plateau, then jump" im talking about the first bumo on each plot.

even on my t3/t67 pump gas tune. it look like the vtec should came down a bit more. ill fix that next time im there.

 

On Rizzo's car...that's the EBC pulsing the solenoid, trying to hold the boost steady ona car that's boost creeping like crazy.

Once it holds steady boost it'll be fine.

These were all big turbos on small motors...moving VTEC around isn't gonna do much when they are spooling at 6000rpm...haha.

PS: Noone races at 4500rpm.

 

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You Are...

 

Dave, don't forget to add Haltech and AEM EMS to your list in your sig

edit: dam, beat me to it

 

nice peak #s